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Will N go after romhack/homebrew LPs?
A lot of people seem to be under the impression that Nintendo's going to remove Let's Play videos from Youtube. They aren't. All that's going to happen is that the ad revenue will be going to Nintendo instead of the Let's Player. I don't see the problem here unless these Let's Players don't have a second option in case something like this happen.
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StingingVelvet: While they have the full right to do this with their copyrighted work, I bet LPs spur sales more than anything else. Shortsighted of them.
The full right? Do they also have the full right to take negative reviews on commercial game sites offline because they use pictures of the game? They are also making money off of their property.
I think its just google and nintendo making a convenient agreement which only screws over the little guy regardless of the actual legal situation.
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StingingVelvet: While they have the full right to do this with their copyrighted work, I bet LPs spur sales more than anything else. Shortsighted of them.
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jamotide: The full right? Do they also have the full right to take negative reviews on commercial game sites offline because they use pictures of the game? They are also making money off of their property.
I think its just google and nintendo making a convenient agreement which only screws over the little guy regardless of the actual legal situation.
No but they are free to remove ads from the media that reviewed the game :V Nintendo is not asking for the removal of the things, just getting the ad revenues.

That actually happened to a magazine, IIRC.
Post edited May 18, 2013 by Luisfius
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Crosmando: It's mindboggling how out of touch these big game companies really are, it's like they live in a different reality from their customers.

They are going to have to adapt though, every day more and more gamers are being accustomed to being able to have a "close" and informal relationship with developers. Indie devs will reply directly on forums etc to the requests and questions of fans, which gives a sense of personal connection that these inhumanely massive corporations with their customer service departments simply cannot.

I mean, the very idea of trying to get revenue from LP's, when LP's themselves ARE ads for the games.... it's just.... bloody unbelievable. The person/s at Nintendo who came up with that idea obviously have no connection or understanding of their customers and how gamers think and what they value.
This is the part where I wonder what's worse: Western Style out of touch, or Eastern Out of Touch?
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DraculaMarth: A lot of people seem to be under the impression that Nintendo's going to remove Let's Play videos from Youtube. They aren't. All that's going to happen is that the ad revenue will be going to Nintendo instead of the Let's Player. I don't see the problem here unless these Let's Players don't have a second option in case something like this happen.
Considering the current economy and that Nintendo is accepting online applications only, mostly for the Seattle area?
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grviper: Will N go after romhack/homebrew LPs?
An interesting question, but I cannot see through the gunfire, torches, and burning effigies of Reggie Fise-Aime.
Post edited May 18, 2013 by Darvond
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Luisfius: No but they are free to remove ads from the media that reviewed the game :V Nintendo is not asking for the removal of the things, just getting the ad revenues.
What are you talking about, that has nothing to do with what I said.
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011284mm: I would rather that Nintendo make their own LP videos and tell others they cannot make money then attacking others work for money.
(Personally the way I see it, once a company hands a game over to GOG unless it was an indy, they're basically saying that's it.)

And I cannot picture Nintendo being able to do Let's Play in a convincing manner, or at least not in a way that comes off as condescending, scripted, or downright inane.
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Luisfius: No but they are free to remove ads from the media that reviewed the game :V Nintendo is not asking for the removal of the things, just getting the ad revenues.
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jamotide: What are you talking about, that has nothing to do with what I said.
It has everything to do with it. Quoting again:

" jamotide: The full right? Do they also have the full right to take negative reviews on commercial game sites offline because they use pictures of the game? They are also making money off of their property.
I think its just google and nintendo making a convenient agreement which only screws over the little guy regardless of the actual legal situation. "

Nintendo is not taking down the videos (which Sega did, THAT was a dick move)
In your example, Nintendo would not take down the articles, but they would be free to remove ads in the publication/site that ran those reviews. In the case of the LPs, they are just requesting the monetization/ad revenue to be directed TO them.
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Darvond: (Personally the way I see it, once a company hands a game over to GOG unless it was an indy, they're basically saying that's it.)

And I cannot picture Nintendo being able to do Let's Play in a convincing manner, or at least not in a way that comes off as condescending, scripted, or downright inane.
You do realize that Nintendo hasn't blocked anyone from doing LP videos, right? Anyone can still make a LP of any Nintendo game and post it in Youtube.

I don't understand why people are making a storm out of this. Jesus, Sega recently asked Google to remove every LP related to the Shining Force series, which is far worse than what Nintendo did, and it didn't cause as much nerd rage. Double standards, really.
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DraculaMarth: A lot of people seem to be under the impression that Nintendo's going to remove Let's Play videos from Youtube. They aren't. All that's going to happen is that the ad revenue will be going to Nintendo instead of the Let's Player.
That seems to be the case.
Post edited May 18, 2013 by Neobr10
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Darvond: (Personally the way I see it, once a company hands a game over to GOG unless it was an indy, they're basically saying that's it.)

And I cannot picture Nintendo being able to do Let's Play in a convincing manner, or at least not in a way that comes off as condescending, scripted, or downright inane.
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Neobr10: You do realize that Nintendo hasn't blocked anyone from doing LP videos, right? Anyone can still make a LP of any Nintendo game and post it in Youtube.

I don't understand why people are making a storm out of this. Jesus, Sega recently asked Google to remove every LP related to the Shining Force series, which is far worse than what Nintendo did, and it didn't cause as much nerd rage. Double standards, really.
It is a hilarious amount of drama just because OH GOD THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THEIR AD REVENUE from doing Nintendo LPs. They are not being forbidden, they aren ot getting blocked, they are not getting flagged.

They just won't be able to make money out of it.
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Darvond: This is the part where I wonder what's worse: Western Style out of touch, or Eastern Out of Touch?
It's bad touch either way.
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Darvond: (Personally the way I see it, once a company hands a game over to GOG unless it was an indy, they're basically saying that's it.)

And I cannot picture Nintendo being able to do Let's Play in a convincing manner, or at least not in a way that comes off as condescending, scripted, or downright inane.
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Neobr10: You do realize that Nintendo hasn't blocked anyone from doing LP videos, right? Anyone can still make a LP of any Nintendo game and post it in Youtube.

I don't understand why people are making a storm out of this. Jesus, Sega recently asked Google to remove every LP related to the Shining Force series, which is far worse than what Nintendo did, and it didn't cause as much nerd rage. Double standards, really.
A: Sega didn't ask for other videos of their franchise to be removed.
B: Sega isn't exactly relevant these days, being Nintendo's purse dog does that.
C: Sega has been clearly insane for a while; that sort of move was expected from them.

Nintendo on the other hand, went and rattled the job security of a rather dedicated fandom with absolutely no warning. This was a very unexpected move by the company and its unclear what their motive is.
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Neobr10: Yes, it is, ESPECIALLY in the US, which enforces IP protection more than other countries.
IP law is very complicated in the US, extremely complicated. I'm not even qualified to really comment on it. However I can tell I actually understand it a lot better than you. You be assuming things bro, doesn't work that way.
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Neobr10: Using an IP for commercial purposes does not qualify as fair use.
An example of where you're absolutely wrong and would know that if you spent 10 seconds thinking it over. There's a lot of case law addressing this even on Wikipedia, by all means, read it.
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Neobr10: Why do you think racing games need to license cars?
Because of trademarks, not copyright, calling it "IP" makes it confusing because they're entirely different things with different rules.
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Neobr10: Ok, if it's not a legal issue why did Google accept Nintendo's copyright claims?
Duh, because it's obviously easier to not give a shit and just do it. Seriously, you must be aware of the 10s of 1000s of erroneous DMCA requests that were nevertheless honored.

Eh you know what, you're normally very thoughtful, you appear to be disinclined to do so here despite a wealth of good information being out there for you. Believe whatever you want, fuck it.
Post edited May 18, 2013 by orcishgamer
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Darvond: A: Sega didn't ask for other videos of their franchise to be removed.
What are you talking about? Nintendo hasn't removed ANY videos at all.

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Darvond: B: Sega isn't exactly relevant these days, being Nintendo's purse dog does that.
Sega is a games company with some of the most valuable IPs in the industry, so yes, it's relevant enough. The fact that they're not a big player in today's market doesn't matter. If Paradox had decided to remove every video related to one of it's franchises it would still be relevant, even though Paradox isn't exactly that big of a company.

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Darvond: C: Sega has been clearly insane for a while; that sort of move was expected from them.
How exactly has Sega been insane? Sega is actually one of the most "sane" gaming companies nowadays, especially considering that they don't have money to blow.

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Darvond: Nintendo on the other hand, went and rattled the job security of a rather dedicated fandom with absolutely no warning. This was a very unexpected move by the company and its unclear what their motive is.
The motive is clear: to get at least some revenue from the ads on LP videos which use their IP. Pretty fair.
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011284mm: I would rather that Nintendo make their own LP videos and tell others they cannot make money then attacking others work for money.
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Darvond: (Personally the way I see it, once a company hands a game over to GOG unless it was an indy, they're basically saying that's it.)

And I cannot picture Nintendo being able to do Let's Play in a convincing manner, or at least not in a way that comes off as condescending, scripted, or downright inane.
I would like to think the same, but they are handingthe game to GOG wanting money, we pay for the games, GOG pays the IP owners to sell the game. Who is to say if Nintendo get their way that other publishers wont feel they are entitled to yet more revenue via this *good* idea.