I fail to see how MS being bigger douches recently erases the longstanding douchebaggery of Nintendo with regards to these people. Nintendo straight up refused to pay indies on MANY occasions. They've been outright hostile towards them in the past, in fact towards 3rd parties in general.
But that's the point, the "douchebaggery" comes from Microsoft as well. In fact, i'd argue that Microsoft is the biggest douche right now, since Nintendo is progressively chanings it's stance on indies and third-party. Sony seems to be the only company to be pretty friendly to both indies and third-party.
As for MS, Fez wasn't released as an indie game, it was released as a XBLA game, which probably greatly boosted the revenue Mr. Fish got. IIRC he actually fucked up his patch and wanted "backsies" to do another one for free. I think there's quite a bit of blame to go around on Fez on XBLA.
The fact that Phil was not the first one to point out this practice does make me think Microsoft is the one to blame here. Valve had a similar experience with Left 4 Dead on the Xbox: they couldn't release the first DLC on Live for free because Microsoft wanted money for it, while on the PC all DLCs were free. As far as i'm aware Steam doesn't charge for updates (if they did Paradox would probably be bankrupt by now), neither does PSN.
The WiiU needs third parties more than previous consoles did and I'm not at all certain it's going to get them.
I agree that it needs more third-party support. However, the fact that they nailed 2 exclusive Platinum titles and 3 exclusive Sonic games make me slightly optimistic. The problem with third-party support comes from the N64 era and Nintendo is still alive and kicking.
The Wii U is actually awful to play, many of the games are awful, it'll be a year before we even have a chance to see if that will be rectified, even so, my issues with the tablet are likely to remain.
That's your opinion, not a fact. Yet i fail to see how the Wii U is "awful" to play if the Gamepad has exactly the same button layout as any standard controller, just with a touch screen on it. And even if it bothers you so much you can just buy the Pro controller which is EXACTLY the same as the Xbox 360 controller.
And which games are awful? It doesn't even have that many games, and most of these are multiplatform titles. I still haven't seen shovelware like the Wii had.
Yeah but I have a metric ass-ton of other great fucking games for my 360 that aren't part of those series.
Which are probably multiplatform titles.
I'm not trying to argue "lol MS is bettar", I don't even fucking care. The point is about Nintendo and the relevance of their internal teams has quite a different bearing on the argument given how much they leverage their own IP to drive each generation of console.
This means that Nintendo's IPs are very strong, they're system sellers, basically. I can't see how this is a negative point.
Why is this turning into a Nintendo vs. Xbawx debate, anyway? Did I somehow bring it up? Are we having a console war now?
It's not, i'm just pointing out facts. I don't give a flying fuck about console wars, i have all 3 current-gen consoles, a Wii U, and i'll probably buy both the PS4 and the next-Xbox at some point (unless the next-Xbox has always online, in which case i'll boycott it completely). I just care about playing good games.
What i wanted to point out is that part of your criticism on Nintendo is unfounded.
What the fuck? Are we still on this shit? Can we maybe wait until next month instead of pulling shit out of our arseholes to support our arguments?
Isn't this exactly what you did in your previous post? I just threw an unfounded argument back at you.