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Just wondering.
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The more China can get away with, the more they will attempt to control in the future.

I'm less worried about a single game being censored, more about the fact that GOG is allowing their store content to be moderated by a hostile dictatorship which over time is going to influence what games are available here.

Once they start to say Yes to the censors, it's not going to become easier saying No in the future.
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Cyberpunk 2077

https://international.thenewslens.com/article/144600

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Taiwan
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Maverick89: Just wondering.
I would not be remotely surprised to start hearing this stuff in a few years time:-

- "Due to another border skirmish, "Many Gamers" demand all games made by Indian studios be removed from all foreign stores or you won't be able to do business in China".

- "Due to the Spratley Island dispute, "Many Gamers" demand all games made by Vietnamese studios be removed from all foreign stores or you won't be able to do business in China".

- "Due to the Senkaku Island dispute, "Many Gamers" demand all games made by Japanese studios be removed from all foreign stores or you won't be able to do business in China".

- "Due to the South China Sea dispute, "Many Gamers" demand that games made by Filipino studios be removed from all foreign stores or you won't be able to do business in China".

- "Due to protests from foreign Buddhists over treatment of Tibetan monks, "Many Gamers" demand that all Cambodia, Thai, Myanmar, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, etc, game studios be removed from all foreign stores or you won't be able to do business in China".

- "Due to protests from foreign Muslims over treatment of Chinese Uighurs, "Many Gamers" demand that all game studios based in majority Muslim countries be removed from all foreign stores or you won't be able to do business in China".

And there will be the same useful idiots / '50 Cent' trolls here saying "but, but, but, have you sold your fridge and condemned GOG for curating unfinished Steam asset flippers yet? Because that's what really counts!"
Post edited December 20, 2020 by BrianSim
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next major step will be probably some kind of credit system, where all the shitty big tech will bunch together to make a database about their users and start banning them if they misbehave somewhere...
just imagine you write a post on youtube where you nay down their president candidate and hours later you are banned from all of their sites, this is the future
Post edited December 20, 2020 by Orkhepaj
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Well, if the CCP installed a real moderation on these forum boards, I would consider it an actual improvement.
If even Winnie the Pooh is a problem to them... who knows really which games "many gamers" will have problem with.
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RafaelRamus: If even Winnie the Pooh is a problem to them... who knows really which games "many gamers" will have problem with.
I don't know why they would dislike Winnie the Pooh so much. Even though he wears a red shirt, it doesn't have the five stars from the Chinese flag on it. He's just a children's book character. There are worse things to look like.
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Heh, I guess this means we won't be seeing Command and Conquer Generals/Zero Hour on GOG anytime soon...
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Maverick89: Just wondering.
I'm from Mainland China, and I'll say that the worrying on Cyberpunk 2077 is a complete nonsense.
1. Cyberpunk 2077 is still on the shelf in China, and it has Chinese native voiceover! How could it be censored if a game has Chinese native voiceover?
2. The content of "Taiwan Independence" is from Cyberpunk 2020, not 2077. Those Chinese netizens are attacking the wrong target.
3. I don't mean to negate the existence of censorship in China, but our administration is still not that Orwellian. Also, if a game is "offensive", it would have been banned from the beginning, not now.
4. Trolls are trolls, even they're '50 cents', and even inside our Chinese community. Their radical demands don't represent the voice of Chinese community.
5. Please, please stop your baseless depiction on a censorship on GOG.com. The Chinese government is unable to influence the platform based outside their border. Also, I have never heard of any official boycott of a single category of products from any country after 1978 here.
6. The problem of Taiwan is merely an internal affair, not an international problem. Please bear in mind that even in the constitution of Taiwan, they claim the territory of Mainland China. This is not the same with border frictions with India, Philippines, Viet Nam, Malaysia, Japan, or any other countries.
7. GOG.com is a platform for creating pleasure and happiness, not a platform of creating villains and enemies, nor a platform to clash with political controversies. If you insist to do so, show your proof instead of merely criticize. Oh, the Chinese community won't use English in their daily discussion, so learn Chinese or consult a native Chinese before you want to express your objection.
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Maverick89: Just wondering.
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WinfredHuang: The Chinese government is unable to influence the platform based outside their border
What? Are you blind or just indoctrinated? That is EXACTLY what has happened here
Post edited December 21, 2020 by dycaite
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RafaelRamus: If even Winnie the Pooh is a problem to them... who knows really which games "many gamers" will have problem with.
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DoomSooth: I don't know why they would dislike Winnie the Pooh so much. Even though he wears a red shirt, it doesn't have the five stars from the Chinese flag on it. He's just a children's book character. There are worse things to look like.
Censorship of anything making fun of any CCP leaders was never uncommon in China. For instance, Jiang Zemin was always said to look like a toad, which is why an entire meme about 膜蛤 (Mó Há - toad worship) exists. This was censored too.
Well, this forum for a start. There's no way CCP will let Chinese people read jokes about Winnie the Pooh or critique of the regime, or anything pointing at their atrocities. Moderation of written content would be far too much job to do and would be easier to purge everything and start moderating and censoring the new forum. If they are still here.
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Maverick89: Just wondering.
The thing that is very important to remember is that what happened to Devotion is only the very tip of the iceberg.

So it's easy to create yet another angry thread against Gog but it's also very important to remember that they are not the first to bend the knee to no offend China, not the worse, and sadly they won't be the last.

Steam removed some game (not to mention that Devotion is not back there despite the devs seemingly wanting it to be sold)and works with Chinese authority to create a China friendly Steam, Epic is partly owned by Tencent, and while good old Tim assure us that it has no impact, you usually you avoid needlessly offending your business partners, and let's not talk all the others companies or even governments.

So while I agree that Gog handled it extremely poorly, especially in the middle of the whole Cyberpunk controversy, and I am very annoyed by it, it is still important to remember that in the grand scheme of things it only a water drop in the ocean, so getting all offended at Gog while ignoring that it's the norm and not an exception, that nearly everybody does the same, is not helping.
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Maverick89: Just wondering.
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Gersen: The thing that is very important to remember is that what happened to Devotion is only the very tip of the iceberg.

So it's easy to create yet another angry thread against Gog but it's also very important to remember that they are not the first to bend the knee to no offend China, not the worse, and sadly they won't be the last.

Steam removed some game (not to mention that Devotion is not back there despite the devs seemingly wanting it to be sold)and works with Chinese authority to create a China friendly Steam, Epic is partly owned by Tencent, and while good old Tim assure us that it has no impact, you usually you avoid needlessly offending your business partners, and let's not talk all the others companies or even governments.

So while I agree that Gog handled it extremely poorly, especially in the middle of the whole Cyberpunk controversy, and I am very annoyed by it, it is still important to remember that in the grand scheme of things it only a water drop in the ocean, so getting all offended at Gog while ignoring that it's the norm and not an exception, that nearly everybody does the same, is not helping.
But I want to, and have always enjoyed to, support GOG. That's the worst of it all. I have never made an effort to support Steam, see? I have never decided to buy a game I already own in any other store but GOG. I have never decided to wait to pay MORE for a game because it MAY be released in this platform.

That is what they chose to throw away and that infuriates me.