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The time has come to relieve the beginnings of one of the best space flight simulators saga ever created.

Wing Commander 1+2 is a pack containing the first two parts of the acclaimed space flight and combat simulator series by Origin. With this bundle you’ll get an introduction to the epic military conflict between The Confederation and the Kilrathi. Although the war between humans and Kilrathi has lasted for 20 years already, you're just making your presence. As a young pilot, straight from the academy, you’ll either become humanity’s biggest hero or the biggest zero as you're posted on Confederation's flagship - Tiger's Claw. With a cinematic approach to the storytelling and great 3D gameplay, the Wing Commander series is a must-have for every self-respecting gamer.
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thornton_s: Really simple should have checked this before posting, simply run as administrator and they will work.

It seems the timing issues haven't been fixed so when there is a lot going on the game goes into slow motion. Of course you can alter this with the cpu cylcles but it's a bit awkward having to keep constantly changing the cycles when you're dodging asteroids and fighting kilrathi.
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elbaz: *facepalm* Why do I always forget to check the simplest fixes first? Thanks for the info.
It's easily done, took me a while to remember to try it.

I just read back my comment and it sounded like i was having a dig at you. I missed the i out of it, i was commenting about myself not checking with that post.
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lcualoping: I think GOG should have licensed the Kilrathi Saga versions of WC1 and WC2. It would have been harder to hack to work in Windows XP or 7, but it would have been worth it. The music and sound effects were converted to digital and sound a lot better than the AdLib music that most people will remember.
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FooAtari: I have run the Kilrathi Saga in Windows 7 fairly easily.

What I am most disappointed about is the state the games have apparently been released in. They do not run that well in DOSBox with inconsistent performance.

Isn't the point of GoG to release old games in there vanilla form that run properly as originally intended on modern OS's?

Games released running poorly in DOSBox or any fashion does not fit this mold.

If GoG cannot get a game running as needed so that it installs easily and runs properly for most users, they should not be releasing it all.
Did you buy them on GOG to come to this conclusion or are you making assumptions based on your experiences in the past with different releases?
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FooAtari: I have run the Kilrathi Saga in Windows 7 fairly easily.

What I am most disappointed about is the state the games have apparently been released in. They do not run that well in DOSBox with inconsistent performance.

Isn't the point of GoG to release old games in there vanilla form that run properly as originally intended on modern OS's?

Games released running poorly in DOSBox or any fashion does not fit this mold.

If GoG cannot get a game running as needed so that it installs easily and runs properly for most users, they should not be releasing it all.
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Kakihara: Did you buy them on GOG to come to this conclusion or are you making assumptions based on your experiences in the past with different releases?
The GOG versions use dosbox and both have serious cpu cycle problems. It is impossible to get a consistant framerate during gampeplay and really makes it a frustrating experience as you have to keep manually altering the cycles.

It's great to see them on GOG but they really need to get the Kilrathi Saga versions as they almost run perfectly in windows, no framerate issues at all.
Post edited August 26, 2011 by thornton_s
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Kakihara: Did you buy them on GOG to come to this conclusion or are you making assumptions based on your experiences in the past with different releases?
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thornton_s: The GOG versions use dosbox and both have a serious cpu cycle problems. It is impossible to get a consistant framerate during gampeplay and really makes it a frustrating experience as you have to keep manually altering the cycles.

It's great to see them on GOG but they really need to get the Kilrathi Saga versions as they almost run perfectly in windows, no framerate issues at all.
That sucks. They should've delayed releasing it, I agree.
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Galimatias: expansions for the EA games is very, very, very complicated
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spindown: general terms why the legal situation for expansions is so much more complicated than for the main games
You wouldn't be allowed to give us a little hint as to why this is happening, would you?
As mentioned before by others, for me as a dumb, clueless customer, it seems odd that EA would want to sell its games here, but not the expansion. Now if there's third parties involved, it's certainly understandable, but that being the case for every single EA game hits me as strange.

Knowing if this is going to be the case for all EA games yet to be released would be nice as well.


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Whodares: some party they forgot about
One game, sure. Some games, likely. But every single one?
Not to mention that we're talking about a lot of acquired IP not initially created by EA.
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Galimatias: Guys, it turns out that getting the rights for the expansions for the EA games is very, very, very complicated. While we are (of course) working on them, the rights clearance will not be resolved any time soon. In the mean time, though, two classic games that helped define the space shooter genre for $6 is nothing to sneeze at.
I'm faithful that you guys will sort this one out.
The frame rate problems with dosbox .74 are exaggerated. True it was a huge pain back in .63 but .74 is really a lot better with it and the game remains playable when things get crazy. Also if you still don't like it then I recommend Taewong's build as that has speed optimizations and the game runs amazingly well. Even in the thick of battle.
http://ykhwong.x-y.net/
also has mt-32 support

This advocation of pirated Kilrathi Saga versions is not just silly but should be deleted from this thread.
Post edited August 26, 2011 by herecomethe2000
"The time has come to relieve the beginnings of one of the best space flight simulators saga ever created."

I suspect you mean "relive", has less gastric connotations that way.
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herecomethe2000: [cut]
also has mt-32 support

This advocation of pirated Kilrathi Saga versions is not just silly but should be deleted from this thread.
Watch your words, user! Many of us have original BOX versions of this old game series. In my collection I've got WC3-5 and both Privateers but I will not buy such "castrated" version of WC1-2 like GOG is trying to sell us. It's not new game with all DLCs which I demand with small price. It's 20 years old game!

WC1 ("Kilrathi Saga" version) is available for free and it's LEGAL... as opposed to "alternative" version of DosBox with Roland MT-32 support which requires additional "illegal" ROMs.
How DID both WC and UU end up with MT-32 in their settings?
I always thought of MT-32 as that weird setting games used when they wanted all the sound effects to become musical instruments. Watching this video was eye-opening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV8VvLRV3fA
With the mt32 roms it's a legal minefeild for anyone to host them, so no one will. The court however ruled they are of them selves in the public domain until Roland ever comes up with a document stating that they are a restored work which they have failed to do so for almost a decade. Good enough in my book. Personally I feel there is something to be said for the importance of preserving hardware, which is the ultimate importance of dosbox .

But what I mean by minefeild is, in this environment where people and corporations get sued left and right for copyright infringement whether the grievance is legitimate or not is not something most organizations can survive, so its best to be under the radar.

But when it comes to the kilrathi saga, its not legal to download. Only the expansions are available as patches. And several people here admit to the downloading of it. If EA decides to enforce their IP you will have no legal stand to take.
Post edited August 26, 2011 by herecomethe2000
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herecomethe2000: But when it comes to the kilrathi saga, its not legal to download. Only the expansions are available as patches. And several people here admit to the downloading of it. If EA decides to enforce their IP you will have no legal stand to take.
Wasn't advocating piracy of it myself. But with any game, if it is not available commercially I personally have no problem downloading a copy of it. No one is loosing out as there is no one to give your money too. If the game later becomes commercially available I'll more often or not buy it if I enjoyed it.
So EA is being jerks again huh? Well that should come as no surprise i guess. I'll be getting these as soon as I have some extra money for them :( But I have hopes theyll give us the expansions soon
one of the first ibm games played. its great to play them again, bad sound and all. first runthese on an 386sx 20 mhz computer. my brother went ount and bought a sound blaster just for wc2. good times. want more :D