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The time has come to relieve the beginnings of one of the best space flight simulators saga ever created.

Wing Commander 1+2 is a pack containing the first two parts of the acclaimed space flight and combat simulator series by Origin. With this bundle you’ll get an introduction to the epic military conflict between The Confederation and the Kilrathi. Although the war between humans and Kilrathi has lasted for 20 years already, you're just making your presence. As a young pilot, straight from the academy, you’ll either become humanity’s biggest hero or the biggest zero as you're posted on Confederation's flagship - Tiger's Claw. With a cinematic approach to the storytelling and great 3D gameplay, the Wing Commander series is a must-have for every self-respecting gamer.
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Galimatias: Guys, it turns out that getting the rights for the expansions for the EA games is very, very, very complicated. While we are (of course) working on them, the rights clearance will not be resolved any time soon. In the mean time, though, two classic games that helped define the space shooter genre for $6 is nothing to sneeze at.
Do you guys foresee needing to charge for the expansions separately, or will they be added to existing purchases free of charge?
I only played wing commander 3.. It was suprisingly good but then I was console-man.
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Galimatias: Guys, it turns out that getting the rights for the expansions for the EA games is very, very, very complicated. While we are (of course) working on them, the rights clearance will not be resolved any time soon. In the mean time, though, two classic games that helped define the space shooter genre for $6 is nothing to sneeze at.
You work with them.. You mean above them? =)
Usually, at least nowadays expansions are.. Well.. Like stonekeep, you can throw stone at them. If you miss you take the second rock.or die. =)
Still, if i owned something, i would be careful too, wing commander-series is maybe dead but it's a legend. And those times we had many of those.
Post edited August 25, 2011 by Antimateria
If GOG or EA was trying to squeeze out extra money from each sale, the pack would be $10 and it would not include both games. Something else is behind the expansion problem. At least EA isn't telling people to buy the expansions through Origin as DLC. Very disappointing, though.

The WC2 speech pack adds speech to the introduction and all in-flight comments. I think it adds speech to the ending, too. The other cinematics stayed silent. Strike Commander and Privateer were the same way until the CD version came out.

Kilrathi Saga replaced the synthesized sound effects and music with resampled versions. It wasn't a perfect blend. The originals were less harsh, fitting the look of the game better.
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Galimatias: Guys, it turns out that getting the rights for the expansions for the EA games is very, very, very complicated. While we are (of course) working on them, the rights clearance will not be resolved any time soon. In the mean time, though, two classic games that helped define the space shooter genre for $6 is nothing to sneeze at.
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boct1584: Do you guys foresee needing to charge for the expansions separately, or will they be added to existing purchases free of charge?
this is probably the problem: EA viewing expansions as a stand alone product instead of expanded content and not wanting them to be bundled with the product for free. which would be strange because they are bundling two games in one already, if this were the case I'd rather pay $5.99 for the core game + expansions for a complete product (instead of getting two core games but no expansions, or having to buy the expansions separate.)


please, please, please: get this fixed before you release Ultima 7 / Serpent Isle (the expansion packs for those were Boss).
I'll stick the Kilrathi Saga, since I happen to like the re-sampled sounds and music (and I grew up with the original versions too, and still prefer the makeovers). But more importantly, the KS native Windows environment support which remedied the speed issues with DOS versions of the games and the compatibility with expanded mission packs without any fuss are paramount. Are those freeware Secret Missions and Special Operations really only the Kilrathi Saga versions, the priciest second-hand out-of-print game in existence? Oh, the irony.

I've bought and played all three of these games, WC 1/2/3, over the years in their original form (some twice), so Origin got their money from me. I'd like to give GOG some, as I've "re-bought" many a game here I've already owned or still own from my collection over the years, though at the moment my motivation for this "inferior" version of WC 1/2 is lukewarm.

I know the Native Win support isn't flawless, but I prefer it to using DOSBox and putting up with speed issues. The support articles and third-party downloads over at Wing Commander CIC were of great help in this regard, at least the last time I installed it. I especially prefer KS if the GOG version of Wing Commander is determinedly not compatible with the expansion mission packs, which according to some people here is the case.

If Privateer 2: The Darkening, Alice, Strike Commander, or the Ultima Collection are up on the coming EA block I'll gladly plunk down whatever for 'em. I would have for a $9.99 Kilrathi Saga that hit the digital shelves here gladly, and everyone could have been happy. But alas, no. I think GOG users are emphatic about Kilrathi Saga being the preferred experience because they're more knowledgeable and savvy about the optimal versions of these old games than more casual gamers.
Post edited August 27, 2011 by MaridAudran
Very nice. One of my long time friends is a huge fan of this series, and I always meant to give it a try. Two games for $6, hard to turn that down. ;)

Unfortunately I'm going to have to wishlist this until I can afford a flight stick. :( I get the impression that mouse/keyboard would be no good for this...
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Dt3r: Unfortunately I'm going to have to wishlist this until I can afford a flight stick. :( I get the impression that mouse/keyboard would be no good for this...
I played it with a trackball.

It wasn't ideal.
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Dt3r: Very nice. One of my long time friends is a huge fan of this series, and I always meant to give it a try. Two games for $6, hard to turn that down. ;)

Unfortunately I'm going to have to wishlist this until I can afford a flight stick. :( I get the impression that mouse/keyboard would be no good for this...
Its not too bad to play with a keyboard & mouse, but a joystick is obviously better. Mind, theres not much point getting a modern joystick - they were a fair bit more basic in ye olden days of the late twentieth century.
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StingingVelvet: Are these playable with standard KBM? How easy are they? Are there easy settings?

Never played these and don't like flight sims in general but I always wanted to experience the story.
KBM ?

No "easy" mode.

Some missions aren't easy at all BUT, that's the trick, the campaign is branching. If you fail a mission (and really one of them in WC1 is MEANT to be failed), the next mission(s) will be different, and while there is a "losing track" (if you lose some key missions) there are enough "easy" missions to get back on the good track. The losing track is still interesting, actually, and is about as long.

I finished WC1, WC2 in self-imposed "ironman" without much troubles (failed some missions, but succeeded at most so I finished on the good track).

The expansions were quite hard, though. There was one (exp.1 of WC2) I never could finish.
Post edited August 25, 2011 by Narwhal
"KBM" is shorthand for "Keyboard and mouse."
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lcualoping: I think GOG should have licensed the Kilrathi Saga versions of WC1 and WC2. It would have been harder to hack to work in Windows XP or 7, but it would have been worth it. The music and sound effects were converted to digital and sound a lot better than the AdLib music that most people will remember.
I have run the Kilrathi Saga in Windows 7 fairly easily.

What I am most disappointed about is the state the games have apparently been released in. They do not run that well in DOSBox with inconsistent performance.

Isn't the point of GoG to release old games in there vanilla form that run properly as originally intended on modern OS's?

Games released running poorly in DOSBox or any fashion does not fit this mold.

If GoG cannot get a game running as needed so that it installs easily and runs properly for most users, they should not be releasing it all.
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Gonadius: Its not too bad to play with a keyboard & mouse, but a joystick is obviously better. Mind, theres not much point getting a modern joystick - they were a fair bit more basic in ye olden days of the late twentieth century.
If you can map the roll keys to joystick rotation or rudder, it opens up a few options compared to a vanilla joystick.
So glad I have them on Floppy and CD(speech as well). When WC came out as EPs they were sold as EPs and not standalones. I find it a bonus to get WC 1 and 2 @ for $5.99 even if they are so old.
Another no buy for me. At least GOG clarified (a little) why these games aren't being released with all their add-ons and expansions. I serously doubt they ever will be if they haven't yet been able to work out a deal with EA.

I am simply not interested in getting these games unless there is at least an option available for purchasing the expansions.
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elbaz: Yup...quite annoying. Anyone have any thoughts?
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thornton_s: Really simple should have checked this before posting, simply run as administrator and they will work.

It seems the timing issues haven't been fixed so when there is a lot going on the game goes into slow motion. Of course you can alter this with the cpu cylcles but it's a bit awkward having to keep constantly changing the cycles when you're dodging asteroids and fighting kilrathi.
*facepalm* Why do I always forget to check the simplest fixes first? Thanks for the info.