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Posted February 14, 2012
This time, it's personal...

Agent 47 is continuing his assault on GOG.com’s catalogue: grab the second installment of the Hitman series for only $9.99!

Hitman 2: Silent Assassin continues the story of the genetically-engineered assassin-for-hire Agent 47. Nowadays he tries to distance himself from his twisted past and has become a humble church gardener. He gets entangled into a diabolical plot by a Russian crime boss when his friend, a priest, gets kidnapped. To try and save the innocent priest, Agent 47 finds himself at the beck and call of a dangerous man, and he must find a way to not only fulfill his missions, but also strike back against the gang boss who holds his leash.
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Apart from the obvious grief and the lust for revenge, you'll get what the titular hitman is best known for: a large weapon arsenal at your disposal with multiple special hidden weapons scattered across the open-ended levels. These huge levels, each one designed as a separate sandbox, let you experiment with your approach to killing your targets. No matter how bizarre your disguise or how elaborate your approach, the end goal is simple: eliminate the target.

The Silent Assassin streamlines the gameplay and improves over its predecessor in almost every regard. The AI system has been revamped to develop new patterns and behaviours. For all the completionists and achievement addicts, now at the end of each mission you get a score ranging from a Mass Murderer (achieved for mowing down enemies and just getting the job done) to the Silent Assassin who stealths his way to the target and eliminates him without anyone noticing.

So whether you're a run and gun fanatic or you'd like to compare Agents 47’s sneaking abilities to Garret’s, now is the perfect time to pickup this masterpiece for a mere $9.99!
Posted February 14, 2012
I own retail copies of all the Hitman games barring the very first one, and I'm tempted to spend $10 just to get rid of the DRM.

And I'm with cogadh on this one: I equate disc copy protection with DRM. Both can potentially take away your ability to play the game at some point in the future.

I've ripped all my audio CDs recently and I was horrified at the number of errors I got... using different drives! In quite a few cases I had to resort to editing the data to hide audible defects.

Now, maybe a third of all the audio CDs produced in my country are generated from faulty masters, or maybe they are created with very poor quality media and have been faulty from day one... or maybe my CDs have been degrading over time and I'm only noticing this now. I could be wrong, but I suspect the latter.

I WISH I COULD BUY DRM FREE MP3 MUSIC FROM AMAZON or ITUNES in SOUTH AFRICA!!!!!!

OK... I'm calm again :)
Posted February 14, 2012
Wow, GOG has really been going all out in releasing a bunch of games I requested! The Thief and Hitman series alone please me greatly. I just wish I wasn't so busy right now that I don't have time to play them yet :(
Posted February 14, 2012
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TheEnigmaticT: ...
Well, I have a feeling that this post wasn't needed so much. Every shop have some prices set and there is no need to complain about - you just go and buy or not. But remember that looking only at price you are missing a lot - price is only a part of sale - there is also quality, support or just personal preference. Yes, no one is perfect, and GOG also need to fix some things, but that does not mean you need to follow other at "low / spoiled" prices every time. And people need to understand that. They want lowest price? They go probably Steam then. But if they care about some base aspects, they will come back here later.
Posted February 14, 2012
Lots of complaints about the pricing, I see. That seems unfair to me, considering GoG.com consistently re-releases amazing, classic games, free of DRM, and already ready to go on newer Windows systems, like XP and 7. $9.99 is hardly a lot of money for anything these days, and this game is definitely worth the price.

That all said, I already own the game - all of the Hitman games, actually - on Steam. I bought them all a while back during some crazy sale. But it's great to see it on GoG.com, along with all of the other classics of gaming that I sorely miss.
Posted February 14, 2012
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TheEnigmaticT: We sell (predominantly) on two price points: $5.99 and $9.99. To me, it seems that this game is certainly worthy of being priced at the higher price point. There are tons of games you can pick up for ten bucks that won't offer anything like the entertainment I got from Hitman 2 back in the day when I played it.
I think you should have at least one more price point. 2.99 would work. And maybe one more at 7.49 too but it would mostly confuse people.
Old doesn't always mean good, some of these games are real steep at 5.99 or 9.99.

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TheEnigmaticT: All the other digital distributors are charging about the same (usually a little more!) as we are for Hitman 2, so I don't think you can argue that we're not pricing ourselves competitively.
You are certainly not pricing yourself competatively with the lack of bundle pricing.
Posted February 15, 2012
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TheEnigmaticT: ...
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Lexor: Well, I have a feeling that this post wasn't needed so much. Every shop have some prices set and there is no need to complain about - you just go and buy or not. But remember that looking only at price you are missing a lot - price is only a part of sale - there is also quality, support or just personal preference. Yes, no one is perfect, and GOG also need to fix some things, but that does not mean you need to follow other at "low / spoiled" prices every time. And people need to understand that. They want lowest price? They go probably Steam then. But if they care about some base aspects, they will come back here later.
On the other hand, people telling GoG when they think that the price set is not optimal is what one calls a "return of information". After that, if it sells well, fine for them.

I personnally already own the game. I got it free with a magazine a couple of years ago and I own the recent bundle that includes all 5 games( admitedly I bought it for the 3 latest games) , The fact is that that bundle sells for 9.99 EUR... ( not on Ebay by the way, )
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TheEnigmaticT: All the other digital distributors are charging about the same (usually a little more!) as we are for Hitman 2, so I don't think you can argue that we're not pricing ourselves competitively.

We sell (predominantly) on two price points: $5.99 and $9.99. To me, it seems that this game is certainly worthy of being priced at the higher price point. There are tons of games you can pick up for ten bucks that won't offer anything like the entertainment I got from Hitman 2 back in the day when I played it.
As you say, we'll have to agree to disagree. It is a fact that all digital releases are at the same price. But they are not competitive with the street retail price of the bundle.

And there are tons of games you can pick up for 6 bucks that will offer as much or even more entertainment than Hitman 2.
Post edited February 15, 2012 by Phc7006
Posted February 15, 2012
People just don't get it.... GOG sells most of the games at the same prices as the Publisher. So they provide you hosting for the digital download...for the drm free game... and you keep whining about 0.5$ diff?

And stop comparing prices for Retail and Digital copy of the games. There is a big diff about it ;)
Btw I preffer my digital copies stored on external HDD not on CD's it's better for use ;)
Posted February 15, 2012
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jamyskis: Disc-based copy protection does not count as DRM by virtue of the fact that everything you need to exploit your rights under the EULA is present on the CD-ROM.
This Wikipedia article about DVD (offline, disc based) copy protection (calling it "DRM") disagrees with your definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System

I don't know why DRM would include only those management systems where it is managed online. Even if the usage management is offline (e.g. disc based), it is still management.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

suggests that any access control technology that can't be simply circumvented without modifying the content or device is DRM. Using e.g. a noCD crack is about modifying the content, while modding a console so that in can run unsigned (including pirated) console games is modifying the device.

Anyway, this is just discussion about the definition, semantics.
Post edited February 15, 2012 by timppu
Posted February 15, 2012
TheEnigmaticT is certainly right about the quality of the game and the fact that it is objectively worth $10. hell, it was worth $40 or $50 back in the day, and it certainly hasn't gotten any worse over time (except for the graphics).

the issue is more like: are you gonna pay almost $40 for the Hitman series on GoG, or are you gonna go with the $10-$15 disc edition of the quadrilogy? TBH i'd go for the latter if i didn't already have the entire series. i've done the same with other game series (Thief, Deus Ex). that's certainly not to say the games in question wouldn't be worth the price asked on GoG, but i'd figure that most people would not want to overpay, which has a habit of making you feel slightly stupid afterwards...

as far as digital editions go, GoG wins anyway.
Posted February 15, 2012
I have a few games to get through before I move on to the Hitman series so I'll use Neverwinter Nights for this post.

NwN in store/on Amazon: $30 bundle. Includes NwN and two expansions, Baldurs Gate 1/2, Icewind Dale 1/2. Doesn't run on Vista, disc check for XP.

NwN on Steam: Doesn't exist.

NwN on GoG when the bundle sale was on: $34. Included NwN with all expansions, Baldurs Gate 1/2, Icewind Dale 1/2, The Temple of Elemental Evil, Demon Stone, Dragonshard, and Planescape: Torment. Also included various soundtracks (Except for Demon Stone. -.- Had to skip the really amazing one.), wallpapers, manuals, etc. Does run on Vista, will run on 7 when I get around to upgrading.

Deus Ex on Steam: 9.99. Does include DRM of Steam Overlay which may or may not cause problems with the game. Does include manuals.

Deus Ex on GoG. 9.99. Doesn't include DRM. Will run on your computer. Does include manuals, soundtrack, wallpapers, etc.

Bundles on Steam: Might include all expansions (Maybe, if you're a Paradox fan then you'll get that :P), should run on your computer, might include manuals.

Bundles on GoG: Will likely include more games (Any bundle with Hitman would be a Square Enix bundle, so Hitman 1/2, Thief Gold/2, Deus Ex, Conflict: Global Storm), will be competitively priced against wherever else you can find these games. Will run on Vista/7. Won't include DRM (overlays, disc checks, rootkits, various key modules (Two Worlds :S) whatever).


The only reason you wouldn't buy on GoG is because they don't have games like Europa Universalis, but that's what Gamers Gate is for. If it's too expensive now, wait for a bundle and play something else. I suggest ArmA, or Total Annhiliation.
Posted February 15, 2012
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TheEnigmaticT: Hitman 2 is a fantastic game, and what with all of the effort we put into remastering it for modern Windows, DRM free, and all of the other general excellence that GOG.com provides in our releases...
This is one point that I am going to have to strongly dispute. I have Hitman 2 on CD. It's a re-release (German version, 1.02), and I'm not sure if other versions have the same version (it doesn't seem to be available as a patch), but I can assure you that the game works perfectly on my 64-bit Windows PC without so much as a compatibility mode tweak. It's also DRM free and doesn't require the CD.

So besides re-doing the installer and probably new icons, I'm not sure exactly what "all the effort" is that GOG is supposed to have made in putting this together.

And I'd be careful about using the term "remastering". To the lay person it implies that the game has been reworked from the ground up with new textures and widescreen support and can be quite misleading.

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TheEnigmaticT: We sell (predominantly) on two price points: $5.99 and $9.99. To me, it seems that this game is certainly worthy of being priced at the higher price point. There are tons of games you can pick up for ten bucks that won't offer anything like the entertainment I got from Hitman 2 back in the day when I played it.
In two respects I do agree. The game is certainly worth ten dollars, and in the digital market the GOG version is certainly competitively priced in its unreduced price, especially for us Europeans, who get buttraped by Steam's $1=€1 "habit".

But unless the buyer is a rabid optical media-phobe, there's no compelling reason why they should buy it over digital when you can have all of the games combined - DRM-free - for the same price or less. That, and both Steam and Gamersgate have had it on sale so many times for a song, and the Gamersgate version is DRM-free. (Retrospective edit: I've just been reliably informed that the Steam version is also install-agnostic and Steam-independent, and is technically DRM-free once you've installed it).

I will bet vital parts of my anatomy that Steam and Gamersgate will offer it again for less than a dollar when Hitman Absolution comes out.
Post edited February 15, 2012 by jamyskis
Posted February 15, 2012
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TheEnigmaticT: Hitman 2 is a fantastic game, and what with all of the effort we put into remastering it for modern Windows, DRM free, and all of the other general excellence that GOG.com provides in our releases, it's excellent value for your gaming dollar. All the other digital distributors are charging about the same (usually a little more!) as we are for Hitman 2, so I don't think you can argue that we're not pricing ourselves competitively.
I would be interested in some kind of feature where you guys show off how much work goes into "Remastering for modern Windows". Maybe then more people would understand the work behind the scenes of GoG. :)
Posted February 15, 2012
Steam is DRM itself so really a company doesn't need to add any to it unless they are in dire need to punish the customer.
Posted February 15, 2012
In Europe Hitman 2 costs 10 EUR on Steam, which is about 25% more than the 10 USD that GOG asks. Plus we get it DRM free here and with some bonuses.

Fair price IMO.
Posted February 15, 2012
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ChickenHero: You know, i was really excited about having square enix on board but if all they are going to do is charge $9.99 for most of these 10 year old games that can be picked up on amazon or steam cheaper, Yeah i'm going to pass on there games.

Don't get me wrong, gog provide a fantastic service (DRM free) so it's not there fault, but too many publishers are charging the full $9.99 and it's unacceptable when they clearly provide these games cheaper on other digital distrubtion services. Why can they not do the same on GoG?
Does that include extras?
i know steam include extras sometimes for a cheap price
but that cant be said for hard copys from amazon and other digital distrubution services
often.

So all i see is whining and complaining.
If you dont like the way its done, just dont buy it.
That is a more effective way of getting the point across than complain posts and complain letters wich im sure they see on a regular basis.

Im sorry if i offend anyone or migth seam a bit harsh but it seams that
the later games just have gotten alot of grumpy old men complaining just because they didnt get their way.
Post edited February 15, 2012 by Lodium
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