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Kristian: The whole premise of this thread is flawed. Working without the Steam client does NOT mean a game is DRM free. It just means it doesn't use Steam as DRM, it could use GFWL or Securom or something else entirely.
That may be true for some games. However if there's no other protection noted from the developers or publishers, just uses Steam alone for one time activation, and doesn't force the client to be running all the time when moving the files outside of the Steam folder it is indeed DRM-Free. Also please read the first two posts of the thread, it covers this specifically.
Post edited November 19, 2012 by RayRay13000
I believe that there's 2 DRMless games:
1. Vlambeer's Super Crate Box.
2. ROFLnauts (hidden inside a DRMed game's data folder)
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Qwertyman: Hmm alright, it should stay on the DRM list then. I wonder why it's working for me currently..
Did you do any modifications to get multiplayer working again? Because some of the "patches" linked in the forums are just cracked EXEs, which could explain why your copy works as "DRM free".
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Qwertyman: Hmm alright, it should stay on the DRM list then. I wonder why it's working for me currently..
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PenutBrittle: Did you do any modifications to get multiplayer working again? Because some of the "patches" linked in the forums are just cracked EXEs, which could explain why your copy works as "DRM free".
i'l download a new copy later and have another go
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Qwertyman: Hmm alright, it should stay on the DRM list then. I wonder why it's working for me currently..
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PenutBrittle: Did you do any modifications to get multiplayer working again? Because some of the "patches" linked in the forums are just cracked EXEs, which could explain why your copy works as "DRM free".
Nah, I hadn't modified it at all. I'm not sure why it suddenly works. X2 - The threat is also working for me now, completely DRM free, even though it didn't last time I tried it. Not sure why. If anyone has a copy of that game also, please double check it for me and see if yours works without Steam.
FYI: Darwinia no longer requires Steam if you install the official patch (http://www.introversion.co.uk/darwinia/support/index.html). Just be sure to move the folder out of the Steam directory before you install that patch so that Steam doesn't fix the files. Even though that patch is technically the same version Steam gives you, it just overrides the Steam required executable.
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Kristian: The whole premise of this thread is flawed. Working without the Steam client does NOT mean a game is DRM free. It just means it doesn't use Steam as DRM, it could use GFWL or Securom or something else entirely.
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RayRay13000: That may be true for some games. However if there's no other protection noted from the developers or publishers, just uses Steam alone for one time activation, and doesn't force the client to be running all the time when moving the files outside of the Steam folder it is indeed DRM-Free. Also please read the first two posts of the thread, it covers this specifically.
The reason I posted what I posted what was not due the the OP but what alot of people where saying the thread. Merely moving the files from the Steam directory does not at all prove the absence of the 3rd party DRM as this may well work on say games that have limited activations. Developers and publisher not saying there is any 3rd party DRM doesn't mean anything either. For example Rockstar refuses to state how many activations Max Payne 3 has. So sadly we can't expect full disclosure from them.
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RayRay13000: That may be true for some games. However if there's no other protection noted from the developers or publishers, just uses Steam alone for one time activation, and doesn't force the client to be running all the time when moving the files outside of the Steam folder it is indeed DRM-Free. Also please read the first two posts of the thread, it covers this specifically.
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Kristian: The reason I posted what I posted what was not due the the OP but what alot of people where saying the thread. Merely moving the files from the Steam directory does not at all prove the absence of the 3rd party DRM as this may well work on say games that have limited activations. Developers and publisher not saying there is any 3rd party DRM doesn't mean anything either. For example Rockstar refuses to state how many activations Max Payne 3 has. So sadly we can't expect full disclosure from them.
Yes we can, because we know which games uses 3'd party DRM and just excludes them.
By the way -

Dear Esther seems to be DRM free

Death and the Fly requires Steam.

edit - hmm, I noticed Dear Esther in the bin requiring Steam - I will check again later.
Post edited November 22, 2012 by amok
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amok: By the way -

Dear Esther seems to be DRM free

Death and the Fly requires Steam.

edit - hmm, I noticed Dear Esther in the bin requiring Steam - I will check again later.
Yeah, Dear Esther didn't work for me. Try it again though and let me know. It has the steam.dll and steam_api.dll files in it's directory and usually the games that have those files require Steam to run. I'll try the game again as well when I can.

Edit: Also, Space Empires IV Deluxe is DRM free, but you have to use something like this: http://nemesis.thewavelength.net/index.php?p=26 to extract the game folder out of the GCF file.

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RayRay13000: That may be true for some games. However if there's no other protection noted from the developers or publishers, just uses Steam alone for one time activation, and doesn't force the client to be running all the time when moving the files outside of the Steam folder it is indeed DRM-Free. Also please read the first two posts of the thread, it covers this specifically.
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Kristian: The reason I posted what I posted what was not due the the OP but what alot of people where saying the thread. Merely moving the files from the Steam directory does not at all prove the absence of the 3rd party DRM as this may well work on say games that have limited activations. Developers and publisher not saying there is any 3rd party DRM doesn't mean anything either. For example Rockstar refuses to state how many activations Max Payne 3 has. So sadly we can't expect full disclosure from them.
"Note that games with any third party DRM are disqualified from this list, even if they do not actually use CEG (such as C&C4 or Batman:AA)."

You have to actually read the original post =)
Post edited November 22, 2012 by Qwertyman
Read what I posted again. I specifically said I was not reacting to the OP it self but what other people where posting. What I am disputing is the sufficiency of copying a game into its own folder to establish that it has no 3rd party DRM. Games could have 3rd party DRM without being listed anywhere as having 3rd party DRM.
I wonder how many of these would have issues running without a proper install.
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Kristian: Read what I posted again. I specifically said I was not reacting to the OP it self but what other people where posting. What I am disputing is the sufficiency of copying a game into its own folder to establish that it has no 3rd party DRM. Games could have 3rd party DRM without being listed anywhere as having 3rd party DRM.
just what is your point in all this? sigh. there are many list which records 3'd party drm. for example this one : http://steamdrm.flibitijibibo.com/index.php?page=DRM_Lists/The_Big_DRM_List. I also like your assumption that the DRM freaks who frquent this site do not know what DRM games have.... some I have seen here seems to have an almost encilopedical knowledge, and the thing about it being a open list is that some one can say "no that one uses Starforce" - I really do not see you problem at all, and just find it nitpicking just for the sake of it.
The reason for my posts was because I was afraid that people were gonna be misled by this thread into thinking some games are DRM free which may not be. The list you link there is awesome, but not infallible it gets changes every once in a while. I am just urging caution so that people don't get burned by well hidden, unknown or undiscovered DRM.

I have seen people in this thread stating that games are DRM free because it worked for them to copy them out of the Steam folder. That is far from sufficient to make such as determination. That could work on say a game requiring a constant connection to the internet. Shouldn't we require some pretty solid proof before stating that games on Steam are DRM free?
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Kristian: The reason for my posts was because I was afraid that people were gonna be misled by this thread into thinking some games are DRM free which may not be. The list you link there is awesome, but not infallible it gets changes every once in a while. I am just urging caution so that people don't get burned by well hidden, unknown or undiscovered DRM.

I have seen people in this thread stating that games are DRM free because it worked for them to copy them out of the Steam folder. That is far from sufficient to make such as determination. That could work on say a game requiring a constant connection to the internet. Shouldn't we require some pretty solid proof before stating that games on Steam are DRM free?
You are taking paranoia to a whole new level. Good luck with that.