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JMich: Feel comfortable part of my post. You know they make you look good, thus you wear them because you feel comfortable and confident in them. Effect can be the same whether it's a super tight shorts, a full length dress or a shirt and jeans. Whether some of those clothes are more pleasing to us is a different thing. They don't do it because they are more pleasing to us, they do it because the clothes are comfortable to them.
Well if you dress sexy to feel sexy and confident men checking you out is a part of that. Girls aren't stupid.
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StingingVelvet: Well if you dress sexy to feel sexy and confident men checking you out is a part of that. Girls aren't stupid.
Commas do help with sentences ;)
And I never said they are stupid. But the reason someone chooses to wear the clothes he/she wears is always the same. They feel comfortable with said clothes and/or the clothes are practical for what they are going to do. Giving others something to check out may be the reason, but it can also be an effect of the clothes you wore.
Kotaku is a Gawker blog.
'Nuff said.
Apparently even making fun of badly written sleazy fanfic is "politically incorrect" to them.
Just read Joystiq instead.
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JudasIscariot: I've been on the receiving end of that kind of attention and, frankly, it didn't bother me. Then again, this goes just for me and I can't speak for anyone else.
I can't help flirting with you, Judas. :P
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nadenitza: I think it's a myth really. Why would they dress scarce and be offended if men check their butts/cleavage? Makes no sense...
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JMich: When you wear a shortsleeve (or sleeveless) t-shirt, do you do it to show us your biceps? Because you know you present us your biceps if you wear it. Why don't you wear long sleeves if you don't wish us to admire your biceps?
Exactly, they do it so we can admire em, and when we do they act offended. Like wtf? :)
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nadenitza: Exactly, they do it so we can admire em, and when we do they act offended. Like wtf? :)
So the reason you wear shortsleeves is for us to admire your biceps, not that it's too hot for longsleeves.
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JMich: They feel comfortable with those clothes? They find such clothes practical?
More or less the same reason we all wear the clothes we wear. I find t-shirts practical thus I wear t-shirts. I do also enjoy wearing normal shirts or suits, but maintenance on them is a pain. Does that mean that when I wear a shirt I'm planning on being different than when I'm wearing my Wacken or Manowar t-shirt?
Men tend to be more prudish in what they wear. For starters, their pants don't tend to be supertight like a woman's and their shorts do tend to cut lower on the leg. Not saying some guys don't do it, but it's the exception rather than the rule.

And of course, a guy's upper chest is not consider as sexual an attribute as a woman's.

Guys just have more to look at then women.

Now, I agree that there is a tasteful way to do this (any significant turning of the neck is too much), but seriously, any young woman wearing what young women usually wear who is hurt at the notion of being sexually desired in public is out of touch with reality.

They should know as women tend to react to this too (when they do get to see more than what men usually show): Some of the best customer service I've ever had, I received from women while standing in stores in my running shorts after a run in the summer.
Post edited June 20, 2013 by Magnitus
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HGiles: Well, I haven't read the article, and from the comments I don't really want to :) But there are some important points to be made about the topic.

There is a difference in how men and women react to being publicly checked out, physical affection, etc. And that gets ignored a lot. Men will say 'I don't mind it when someone checks me out' (and maybe that's true and maybe they're a little biased, YMMV as with all user-reported results), and don't understand that often women have a completely different way of perceiving being publicly checked out because of cultural prejudices or history.

Remember, in some countries it's assumed that any woman who gets a public reaction from a man is doing some bad or wrong. Even in Western democracies, frequently when a woman doesn't want attention her wishes get ignored. I don't know a single woman who *hasn't* had to deal with obnoxious creeps in public.

TL;DR AlKim's experience is not the typical experience of women in public - we *don't* have that certainty that men won't start doing creepy stuff when given the chance. That safety in public is a privilege that a lot of men don't extend to women, even when they extend it to other men.
We have a huge problem with that locally. There's a subset of women that want to wear very little and not get oggled and then you've got other women that want the attention. Then you've got still other women that complain about men not being willing to approach them.

A local guest columnist from Alaska got into some trouble for suggesting that men should be willing to fight to get her attention, in the very literal meaning of the words.

All in all, it's a situation that just sucks as you're never quite sure when you're about to hit a landmine. And the only way for men to avoid it is to give up on meeting people in person, and just go for online dating.
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JMich: They feel comfortable with those clothes? They find such clothes practical?
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StingingVelvet: Lets not be naive 12 year olds here. You can wear shorts without them being super tight or super short. If you opt for the latter it is because you want to feel sexy.
In general yes, but some things like jogging really require less in the way of clothing during parts of the year.

That being said, I don't see men baring that much skin as the status quo when jogging. So, perhaps covering up a bit more is a legitimate option.
Post edited June 20, 2013 by hedwards
lol the guy in the gif was a security guard and was checking it she hide some weapon in her crack
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keeveek: oh fuck, I just skimmed through some comments

NEVER AGAIN.
Oh yeah sure, thanks. Keeveek! You knew full well that morbid curiosity would get the better of some of us after reading that.
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JMich: They feel comfortable with those clothes? They find such clothes practical?
More or less the same reason we all wear the clothes we wear. I find t-shirts practical thus I wear t-shirts. I do also enjoy wearing normal shirts or suits, but maintenance on them is a pain. Does that mean that when I wear a shirt I'm planning on being different than when I'm wearing my Wacken or Manowar t-shirt?
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Magnitus: Men tend to be more prudish in what they wear. For starters, their pants don't tend to be supertight like a woman's and their shorts do tend to cut lower on the leg. Not saying some guys don't do it, but it's the exception rather than the rule.

And of course, a guy's upper chest is not consider as sexual an attribute as a woman's.

Guys just have more to look at then women.

Now, I agree that there is a tasteful way to do this (any significant turning of the neck is too much), but seriously, any young woman wearing what young women usually wear who is hurt at the notion of being sexually desired in public is out of touch with reality.

They should know as women tend to react to this too (when they do get to see more than what men usually show): Some of the best customer service I've ever had, I received from women while standing in stores in my running shorts after a run in the summer.
My favorites are the women that will stand right in my gaze and then get upset about the fact that I'm still staring off into thin air. Sometimes I wonder if the status reason for offense is the real reason.
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StingingVelvet: Flattered. Ambivalent. Depends. I am not upset, if that's what you're asking.

Even if I was, that gets into homosexual acceptance politics and other shit. I get the point you would try to make there, but I think it's largely a strawman.
Then perhaps I'm misunderstanding your anger. I thought you were upset because that writer was suggesting it was wrong to ogle women and you feel very strongly that it OBVIOUSLY is not. I wasn't posting to you specifically but there are a lot of guys out there who have a STRONG reaction when a guy ogles or hits on them and then turn around and can't understand why women "freak out" when guys ogle or hit on them. It's a cluelessness that baffles me.

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keeveek: I'm too ugly and getting too fat by eating unhealthy for that :-(
Well no wonder Keeveek, just look at yourself. You're all black and white! You need some color man, go get some sun! : P

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Fuzzyfireball: Damn Judas you fine as hell, look at dat BUTT.
Judas is actually a water cooler, and so doesn't have a butt. But he IS handsome.
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gooberking: Not sure about it really. People need to be free to some extent to admire, be drawn, and engage one another, but I do think it is somewhat distasteful when guys take their perceived right to ogle to the point of doing a 180. There is some line of good taste in there where you aren't denying you are human, but aren't over playing the game, or perhaps feel no personal responsibility for how your behavior might make someone else feel.
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StingingVelvet: You can certainly leer at a woman in a creepy and offensive manner. However I object strongly to the idea that the man in the gif was doing that. All he did was turn around as he walked by. The full 180 is just a byproduct of him doing it on the move. Also she never would have seen it, it's only because of random video capture that we know about it.

I've had to tell creepers to fuck off dozens of times, I know they exist. This is not an example of that. This is a man checking out a girl's ass because she is wearing tight, short shorts on a very casual inoffensive manner.
I don't know that I've personally ever done a look back(not going to swear to that), so maybe it's just me, but when ever the check out process is obvious to people around I start to feel like things are getting a little weird/uncomfortable. I don't know that I can make any personal judgments on the right or wrongness of it, just that I prefer a little stealth in the checkout process.

I do think you are right that there really isn't a lot you can do to keep people from doing what they are wired to do.
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nadenitza: Exactly, they do it so we can admire em, and when we do they act offended. Like wtf? :)
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JMich: So the reason you wear shortsleeves is for us to admire your biceps, not that it's too hot for longsleeves.
So practicality excuses women in some way? A guy won't get offended if you admire his biceps tho ;)
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StingingVelvet: Flattered. Ambivalent. Depends. I am not upset, if that's what you're asking.

Even if I was, that gets into homosexual acceptance politics and other shit. I get the point you would try to make there, but I think it's largely a strawman.
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BlueMooner: Then perhaps I'm misunderstanding your anger. I thought you were upset because that writer was suggesting it was wrong to ogle women and you feel very strongly that it OBVIOUSLY is not. I wasn't posting to you specifically but there are a lot of guys out there who have a STRONG reaction when a guy ogles or hits on them and then turn around and can't understand why women "freak out" when guys ogle or hit on them. It's a cluelessness that baffles me.

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keeveek: I'm too ugly and getting too fat by eating unhealthy for that :-(
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BlueMooner: Well no wonder Keeveek, just look at yourself. You're all black and white! You need some color man, go get some sun! : P

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Fuzzyfireball: Damn Judas you fine as hell, look at dat BUTT.
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BlueMooner: Judas is actually a water cooler, and so doesn't have a butt. But he IS handsome.
Sometimes that "strong" reaction isn't so much from getting hit on as it is from a guy being weirded out by homosexuality. I think you might find that most of us guys that have been hit on don't really care that much unless there is some underlying discomfort with the topic in general. It seems like it would be a good comparison but I'm not sure the variables are clean enough for it to work.
Post edited June 20, 2013 by gooberking