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JMich: So the reason you wear shortsleeves is for us to admire your biceps, not that it's too hot for longsleeves.
I go in shorts and T-shirts all year round. Yes, even when it's below -5ºC. When I go clubbing like that (leaving the omnipresent gorilla who doesn't want me in the local aside, that's another war) I sometimes meet girls wearing shorts or other light clothing. My friends often joke saying "check out that girl, she's one of yours!". I look, and 98% of the time I see them trembling from cold, so I always answer no. I'm sorry, but we are nothing alike.

Outfits like those you mention can be worn for comfort, I'm proof of that. Well, I don't wear super tight shorts, but I do wear clothes that most people would find inappropriate/uncomfortable for the situation/weather. But the big majority of the cases, this is not the reason. Specially so for girls, I'm afraid. And that, again, is another war.
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hedwards: My favorites are the women that will stand right in my gaze and then get upset about the fact that I'm still staring off into thin air. Sometimes I wonder if the status reason for offense is the real reason.
Sometimes, that annoys me for other reasons. I'm staring into nothing thinking about stuff and then a woman in shapely leggings will pass by and distract me.

It's like they trigger unconscious part of my brains that screams to my conscious part: Dude, never mind that crap you're thinking about! Woman in shapely leggings passing through, pay attention!

Sometimes, I'm just glad to stare, but sometimes, I wish women would dress up more.
Post edited June 20, 2013 by Magnitus
I don't consider two sentences an "article" though the post is obviously meant to provide another fresh link to an actual article here.

But I digress; I see nothing wrong with the actions of the lookey-loo man in the gif. There are, however, entrenched attitudes in gaming that I don't mind seeing challenged and disrupted, even in the form of a silly gif.
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JudasIscariot: I've been on the receiving end of that kind of attention and, frankly, it didn't bother me. Then again, this goes just for me and I can't speak for anyone else.
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TheEnigmaticT: I can't help flirting with you, Judas. :P
You only do so when trying to beat me at poker :P
The real problem is that the industry is sexist (by and large. I'm sure that CDPR is the exception to that rule as well). So as a result you're going to get ludicrous overreactions like this.
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TheEnigmaticT: I can't help flirting with you, Judas. :P
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JudasIscariot: You only do so when trying to beat me at poker :P
And does it work? ;)
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hedwards: My favorites are the women that will stand right in my gaze and then get upset about the fact that I'm still staring off into thin air. Sometimes I wonder if the status reason for offense is the real reason.
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Magnitus: Sometimes, that annoys me for other reasons. I'm staring into nothing thinking about stuff and then a woman in shapely leggings will pass by and distract me.

It's like they trigger unconscious part of my brains that screams to my conscious part: Dude, never mind that crap you're thinking about! Woman in shapely leggings passing through, pay attention!

Sometimes, I'm just glad to stare, but sometimes, I wish women would dress up more.
Eh, depends if I'm having a gay day. Plus, women around here are mean.
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TheEnigmaticT: I can't help flirting with you, Judas. :P
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JudasIscariot: You only do so when trying to beat me at poker :P
Poke her? I hardly know her. :P
Post edited June 20, 2013 by hedwards
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Navagon: I'm sure that CDPR is the exception to that rule as well)
Suure :-P
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Darling_Jimmy: But I digress; I see nothing wrong with the actions of the lookey-loo man in the gif. There are, however, entrenched attitudes in gaming that I don't mind seeing challenged and disrupted, even in the form of a silly gif.
Of course, this but this actually makes it even more important to not make stuff up. The silly gif story posted today actually weakens her very important story.
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StingingVelvet: Flattered. Ambivalent. Depends. I am not upset, if that's what you're asking.

Even if I was, that gets into homosexual acceptance politics and other shit. I get the point you would try to make there, but I think it's largely a strawman.
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BlueMooner: Then perhaps I'm misunderstanding your anger. I thought you were upset because that writer was suggesting it was wrong to ogle women and you feel very strongly that it OBVIOUSLY is not. I wasn't posting to you specifically but there are a lot of guys out there who have a STRONG reaction when a guy ogles or hits on them and then turn around and can't understand why women "freak out" when guys ogle or hit on them. It's a cluelessness that baffles me.
I think him, and a lot of people, are getting angry about this sort of thing because this whole "sexism in videogames" is getting way out of hand and Kotaku is one of the major culprits of that.

They manufacture controversies left and right, this being one of the cases, to the point where they are actively harming the discussion; people get used to hearing drivel so often that they start dismissing any claim of sexism right out of the gate without checking it, regardless of merit, and when a legitimate matter comes along having a desensitized public can't be a help to the cause. Frankly though, that they wouldn't be thinking of the repercussions isn't surprising, their stance for some time now has resembled less "fighting for equality" and more "trolling for hits".

The OP has finally had enough and is putting Kotaku behind him, and I would advise anyone bothered by sexism in games to do the same, and look for better spokespersons.
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Fenixp: Suure :-P
I meant in terms of workplace equality. :P Not accurately depicting a highly sexual main character.
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hedwards: All in all, it's a situation that just sucks as you're never quite sure when you're about to hit a landmine. And the only way for men to avoid it is to give up on meeting people in person, and just go for online dating.
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StingingVelvet: Lets not be naive 12 year olds here. You can wear shorts without them being super tight or super short. If you opt for the latter it is because you want to feel sexy.
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hedwards: In general yes, but some things like jogging really require less in the way of clothing during parts of the year.

That being said, I don't see men baring that much skin as the status quo when jogging. So, perhaps covering up a bit more is a legitimate option.
Yeah, modern fashion seems to have forgotten that clothing is intended for social signals as much as for comfort or practicality. I don't blame people for not understanding the signals they're giving off, most people simply aren't taught that it's important anymore. They just see something in the aisles at Target and assume it's OK to where whenever they want to.

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hedwards: My favorites are the women that will stand right in my gaze and then get upset about the fact that I'm still staring off into thin air. Sometimes I wonder if the status reason for offense is the real reason.
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Magnitus: Sometimes, that annoys me for other reasons. I'm staring into nothing thinking about stuff and then a woman in shapely leggings will pass by and distract me.

It's like they trigger unconscious part of my brains that screams to my conscious part: Dude, never mind that crap you're thinking about! Woman in shapely leggings passing through, pay attention!

Sometimes, I'm just glad to stare, but sometimes, I wish women would dress up more.
I fully support people in general wearing more reasonable clothing. Women's fashion makes it hard to find clothes that are modest and well-fitting, and men's fashion seems to have taken over the bag-person look. *infinite facepalms* I'm always wondering 1) Can dress themselves? and 2) Why run the risk of on their own pants in public?

I guess if we average the two trends out, we get to a non-distracting amount of coverage per person?
Post edited June 20, 2013 by HGiles
I must admit, I just looked at one very sexy lady on the street and raised one eyebrow in silent regard and enjoyment of her curves. Should I go and report to the nearest police station?
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dr.zli: I must admit, I just looked at one very sexy lady on the street and raised one eyebrow in silent regard and enjoyment of her curves. Should I go and report to the nearest police station?
Only if you harassed her about it.

Admiration is one thing. Making remarks, wolf whistling in public, following, etc, those aren't cool. Cultural standards vary, but basically I think we can all agree that making a big deal out of how sexy a random stranger is isn't a good thing.
Post edited June 20, 2013 by HGiles
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JudasIscariot: You only do so when trying to beat me at poker :P
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Psyringe: And does it work? ;)
Nope :D