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A guy checks out a girl's ass.... And this is a big deal?
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Leroux: Nah, thanks, I read that post but I don't agree with its premises; totally blown out of proportion, if you ask me. You give this much more importance than I think it deserves . So there's not much to debate for me here, but please carry on
Not attacking you, but storming in to tell me how wrong I am and then backing that up with "I disagree but refuse to elaborate or discuss it" just rubs me the wrong way.
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Leroux: Nah, thanks, I read that post but I don't agree with its premises; totally blown out of proportion, if you ask me. You give this much more importance than I think it deserves . So there's not much to debate for me here, but please carry on
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StingingVelvet: Not attacking you, but storming in to tell me how wrong I am and then backing that up with "I disagree but refuse to elaborate or discuss it" just rubs me the wrong way.
I didn't mean to say that you're wrong, just that you're exaggerating, IMO. I agree that the "article" is bullshit, just not that it's important to talk about it. But you do have a point - seeing that I'm not really interested in this discussion, I should have kept out of it in the first place. Sorry!
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m25105: A guy checks out a girl's ass.... And this is a big deal?
I wish girls would check out my ass. :/
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m25105: A guy checks out a girl's ass.... And this is a big deal?
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Rohan15: I wish girls would check out my ass. :/
Then Kotaku would write an editorial about your tight pants and shapely buttocks subjecting women at E3 to unnecessary and provactive imagery. In other words, it'd still be sexist. Somehow.
Post edited June 21, 2013 by scampywiak
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aymerict: Still it is embarrassing for the guy, I get human "instincts" but there are also "rules" in society. Should this really be acceptable to do that?
To turn and look at her? Yeah.

Perhaps a little overzealous but he didn't know anyone was looking at him, she wasn't, and he probably just was walking swiftly and it made sense to do a little spin. I've done it.
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aymerict: I don't see what is so shocking with the Kotaku post. It is just an illustration of the other linked article, which is a interesting read in my opinion. The chosen Gif shows a behaviour that we can see in many places of course, that's why it is maybe not the best illustration on the particuliar subject. Still it is embarrassing for the guy, I get human "instincts" but there are also "rules" in society. Should this really be acceptable to do that?
You can't control our instincts without damaging yourself. Trying to repress ones sexual desires just leads to psychological problems. It's one thing to expect people to keep their hands off, but really, there's no harm no foul in terms of this stuff. It's one thing to expect people to repress their urges to touch other people without permission, but looking at people in public?

What's more., why should it be against the rules in the first place? And why is it that men are the ones that are expected to follow these rules and not men? I've had plenty of women touching me and staring at my crotch over the years, and that hasn't harmed me. I don't see any reason why your average woman should be getting upset about it.
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Rohan15: I wish girls would check out my ass. :/
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scampywiak: Then Kotaku would write an editorial about your tight pants and shapely buttocks subjecting women at E3 to unnecessary and provactive imagery. In other words, it'd still be sexist. Somehow.
Not if he wanted the comments. In that case, it would be ignoring his personal wishes not to look and oggle as he wanted.
Post edited June 21, 2013 by hedwards
Well this publicity writer has done his job of getting you all to go to their website and it's very funny how he's managed to get you all wound up over some guy turning round over reasons which aren't definitely clear.
My problem is that it's planted an anti-man discussion in a place where it isn't needed i.e videogames and there is enough nonsense politics of it's ilk floating around that I'd rather not have to look at in my leisure time.
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kalirion: *skips most of the thread*

Whatever, one animated GIF. Quite funny, whatever.

Now this article is creepy in spots: http://kotaku.com/the-creepy-side-of-e3-513484271
Wow, thanks for posting this. That's some terrible shit.

I am surprised noone else has commented but I would hope everyone is as offended about the behaviour of the men in this article as they are about the gif... Just surprising noone has commented yet though
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kalirion: snip
Introduction - what's wrong with the question "so do you play games?" You can be a sports journalist without playing sports. Male journalists could get those questions too.
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Thing is, what sort of "games" is the person asking the question interested in her playing?
See now how the question becomes creepy?
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htown1980: I am surprised noone else has commented but I would hope everyone is as offended about the behaviour of the men in this article as they are about the gif... Just surprising noone has commented yet though
Ahem, it has been mentioned at least once already, as far as I know:

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/kotaku_says_it_is_sexist_to_look_at_women_in_short_shorts/post63
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kalirion: *skips most of the thread*

Whatever, one animated GIF. Quite funny, whatever.

Now this article is creepy in spots: http://kotaku.com/the-creepy-side-of-e3-513484271

Introduction - what's wrong with the question "so do you play games?" You can be a sports journalist without playing sports. Male journalists could get those questions too.

First story - ok, the security guy got what he deserved, convention people did the right thing - case closed.

Second story - I want to know who the indie developer was.

Third story - gamers as a rule don't get to be around women that much I guess. And can be pretty moronic. And suck at pickup lines.

Fourth story - disgusting.

Fifth story - creepy & rude, but whatever

Sixth story - dropping the AAA studio name would be nice. Those guys don't like bad PR, would do something about the devs.
Definitely a few bad stories in there - although I think half of them are not really a big deal and mostly end up being there to fill the article.

The booth babe one for example - is it really offensive to be asked if you're a booth babe when they stand for "sexy"? I think most guys would have been very flattered if the roles had been reversed. What was really funny, was her saying that a skirt that doesn't doesn't go down to her knees is "modest" *facepalms*. I wonder what a non-modest skirt is like then.

The boob picture thing seemed silly to me as well - it's not like it does any harm and while the guy taking pics is obviously quite a perv, if her face isn't on it, who cares? It's not like she had popped them out for Donkey Kong's pleasure.

Of all those stories, the security guard one is the only one I would call genuinely disturbing. When someone has physical contact with you and keep doing it, it gets awkward really quickly.

What women maybe don't realize, is that men can be on the receiving end as well - anyone who goes to bars, will have had women do the same thing - and men too. I've had a 10 year older drunk woman rub my shoulders wanting me to take her home and not taking no for an answer. This went on for over an hour before her friend drove her home. I've had guys going all "I love you man" at me in bars too many times to mention involving groping, hugging, etc.

I think one of the main risks of these articles, is that it alienates men even further. The picture portrayed is often one of "men are evil, women are innocent" and when your audience is mostly male, what it actually does, is make men feel like women are making men look bad (which these articles actually do, mind you) which only makes the gap between the two genders go wider. These articles are always so unbalanced and often contain stuff that is laughable (like the booth babe comments) that it doesn't help the case at ALL.

The whole modern approach to sexism is fucked up anyway - we have a huge divide between the Western world and the Middle East and Far East and yet we focus on stuff that is so small that it's really laughable at times. For example, the media still goes on about how men on average earn more than women in central European countries yet every time they investigate why, it turns out it's because women chose family over career and go for less-paying job voluntarily - in my opinion, that means the case is closed and we reached our goal so why do we keep going on about it? Stuff like a guy being a "white knight" is sexist, holding a door open is sexist, etc. just makes me want to smack heads together. The moment you actually get upset by these little things (like business men having to be changed to business people, etc.) is the moment you either don't know what else to do anymore, or you should move on to more important matters.
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htown1980: I am surprised noone else has commented but I would hope everyone is as offended about the behaviour of the men in this article as they are about the gif... Just surprising noone has commented yet though
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Darling_Jimmy: Ahem, it has been mentioned at least once already, as far as I know:

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/kotaku_says_it_is_sexist_to_look_at_women_in_short_shorts/post63
Thanks Jimmy, you have kind of illustrated my point. You linked the article, but no comment (as I said in my post). And it doesn't look like anyone else commented. It just find it strange that it doesn't appear that anyone has commented on what seem to be such terrible stories...

Edit: And then I read Red_Avatar's comments.... yowzer
Post edited June 21, 2013 by htown1980
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Spectre: Well this publicity writer has done his job of getting you all to go to their website and it's very funny how he's managed to get you all wound up over some guy turning round over reasons which aren't definitely clear.
While the original post is expressing frustration at a Kotaku article, I still feel it is significant enough to bring up. It is an example of a much larger problem that is dominating the industry and the community right now. Namely, any serious discussion regarding sexism is being hampered by misguided outrage at the tiniest things. This is being fueled by multiple news outlets, not only Kotaku, and being carried forward into gaming communities to the point it is out of control. We have finally reached the level where everyone is ready to grab a pitchfork and express anger over a man simply turning around to look at a lady that walked by him. A simple, natural human behavior, and we are shaming people for it.

This kind of behavior, from both media outlets and the community, is benefiting nobody. All this does is cause more harm than good, and it needs to stop.
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htown1980: And it doesn't look like anyone else commented. It just find it strange that it doesn't appear that anyone has commented on what seem to be such terrible stories...
Of course nobody commented, we're all too busy with the gif.

Which was kind of the OP's point, btw.