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dirtyharry50: You know, if you are going to start threads like this you might be a little more tolerant of other people's ideas, opinions, views, etc. and especially not take them as some attack on you. And my comment that you could lighten up a little was hardly a lecture. Jesus man, take a deep breath and relax will you?
It's your pretentious tone and lack of even looking at what the whole thread is about that irritate me, not having an opinion. Anyway it's still nothing personal, everything's cool, just going to agree to disagree.
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dirtyharry50: The article and pic bring up the general topic of men not acting well toward women and I simply commented on that. It runs no deeper. I had no other thoughts beyond what I expressed.
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StingingVelvet: When you are responding to a specific article and example cited, you should probably be informed on them and realize your comment will be taken in context with them. I repeatedly said I was not mad at you or calling you names, I simply found your very lecture focused post to be annoying to some degree since you were lecturing all of us without even looking at what we are commenting on.

I'm not in a bad mood, nor is me raging about the article for 10 minutes something you need to lecture me on either, thanks.
By the way, out of curiosity since you keep hammering on me about "context" I finally went and clicked the link and looked at the pic, etc.

That is a fucking "article" full of "context" Are you fucking serious?!?!? I mean, really you have just got to be shitting me. That little caption isn't an article and there was no deep context I was missing there. WTF??? LOL!

I'm sorry man but that is just too fucking funny. I was right in the first place and that just confirmed it. I already had all the context I needed.

As to your original points in the OP:

1.) No, instinct cannot be changed however behavior can certainly be controlled. For example, the asshole who is probably married (statistically speaking of course) and spun around to gawk at the woman in the pic could most certainly have controlled his urge to behave like an idiot in public but he chose not to. He had a choice. Are you really going to argue that all men in that situation are helpless victims of their instinct and can do nothing but what that guy did? If that was true there would probably be no fat men in America since they'd all get so much exercise spinning around in public constantly.

2.) Women do NOT do the same thing with anywhere near the same frequency that men do. How often do we see women behave this way versus men? There is a difference and it is quite significant. I don't remember ever seeing a woman do a spin like that although surely it has happened I would think. I've seen guys do that or similar countless times. The picture linked here is nothing unusual really. It is not some shocking thing we've never seen before. On the other hand, a picture of a woman doing this would be something we do not see as often and I'd venture a guess that is because it simply does not happen as often, not nearly as often.

Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. We are NOT the same and neither are all of our behaviors the same across the board. In this case the men who do what the guy in the photo did could stand to have a little more class, don't you think?

I'd really love to know if that guy is married. The odds would be that he is.
Post edited June 24, 2013 by dirtyharry50
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Red_Avatar: I think one word there kinda says it all - you're Finnish. Americans are very very vocal about what they think and it's miles apart from Finland - or Belgium for that sake - in terms of how they approach people. Even where I work, people give compliments on each other's looks and people are pretty reserved as well here.
I was actually going to point out that timppu had obviously never worked in a British or American office before. Unlike Finland (or Germany for that matter, which has a very similar cultural divide between work and private life), your work and private life tend to meld into one another in the UK and US. If I learned one thing in the UK, it's that sexual relationships with work colleagues are a fairly common thing, at least in comparison to mainland Europe (that's not to say that I wish to imply fhat everyone goes around sleeping with their work colleagues, but it's certainly less of a taboo there)

Although I must say, German work culture has loosened up a fair bit over the past decade. Using formal forms of address is a lot less common today than it would have been in the 90s.
Post edited June 24, 2013 by jamyskis
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dirtyharry50: You know, if you are going to start threads like this you might be a little more tolerant of other people's ideas, opinions, views, etc. and especially not take them as some attack on you. And my comment that you could lighten up a little was hardly a lecture. Jesus man, take a deep breath and relax will you?
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StingingVelvet: It's your pretentious tone and lack of even looking at what the whole thread is about that irritate me, not having an opinion. Anyway it's still nothing personal, everything's cool, just going to agree to disagree.
Did you really want me to read all of a 16 page thread about this just to have some opinion to call my own?

And what exactly do you mean by pretentious tone? What exactly is pretentious about what I had to say about the way in which some men treat some women and also my opinion of that?

Edit: Actually, no need to answer that question. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, etc. at this point. It's not like I am pissed off at you or something. I guess we just see some parts of this differently. You remind me of myself sometimes. You don't mince words when feel strongly about something. ;-)
Post edited June 24, 2013 by dirtyharry50
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011284mm: I watched the movie Idiocracy a few years back and was left with a depressing feeling that it really will end that way.
Go to any Walmart in the US, and you will see we are a good way closer to that movie than you would believe.
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jamyskis: I was actually going to point out that timppu had obviously never worked in a British or American office before. Unlike Finland (or Germany for that matter, which has a very similar cultural divide between work and private life), your work and private life tend to meld into one another in the UK and US.
I'm one of the holdouts in the US. My work life is completely separate from my private life, and I prefer it that way. I don't hang out with or date anyone from work. I have never really liked those two world's colliding.
Post edited June 24, 2013 by jjsimp
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dirtyharry50: 2.) Women do NOT do the same thing with anywhere near the same frequency that men do. How often do we see women behave this way versus men? There is a difference and it is quite significant. I don't remember ever seeing a woman do a spin like that although surely it has happened I would think. I've seen guys do that or similar countless times. The picture linked here is nothing unusual really. It is not some shocking thing we've never seen before. On the other hand, a picture of a woman doing this would be something we do not see as often and I'd venture a guess that is because it simply does not happen as often, not nearly as often.

I'd really love to know if that guy is married. The odds would be that he is.
Yes they do. Maybe not a spinorama and a bit more discrete but on the whole yes.

At a promotional products company I work at, there are more women than men. They talk in the same way a group of guys would talk about how hot the women they saw were. Talk about how they go to gym hoping to see the instructor again without his shirt on. Tell sex jokes constantly. Talking about guys even though they know I'm there waiting to help them with their computer problems.
Post edited June 24, 2013 by Kabuto
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dirtyharry50: 2.) Women do NOT do the same thing with anywhere near the same frequency that men do. How often do we see women behave this way versus men? There is a difference and it is quite significant. I don't remember ever seeing a woman do a spin like that although surely it has happened I would think. I've seen guys do that or similar countless times. The picture linked here is nothing unusual really. It is not some shocking thing we've never seen before. On the other hand, a picture of a woman doing this would be something we do not see as often and I'd venture a guess that is because it simply does not happen as often, not nearly as often.

I'd really love to know if that guy is married. The odds would be that he is.
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Kabuto: Yes they do. Maybe not a spinorama and a bit more discrete but on the whole yes.

At a promotional products company I work at, there are more women than men. They talk in the same way a group of guys would talk about how hot the women they saw were. Talk about how they go to gym hoping to see the instructor again without his shirt on. Tell sex jokes constantly. Talking about guys even though they know I'm there waiting to help them with their computer problems.
I worked in the female dominated profession of nursing for a decade. I would agree that when among themselves, women are often just like men among themselves. That isn't what this is about though. It's about behavior in public towards one another and as you noted, women are more discrete which is not in disagreement with what I was saying. Yes, they are. They don't typically do spins, etc. They don't typically do cat calls either but men are infamous for this stuff for a reason - it happens all the time.
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assassin33: If Kotaku was a published magazine the only thing it would be good for is lining a cat box.
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dirtyharry50: LOL! I guess maybe I am not missing anything after all. Who needs Kotaku anyway with the entertaining discourse found here on GOG even I do ignore context, links and just talk out my ass? It's all in good fun. :D
Even the cat is afraid to go near it. XD
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dirtyharry50: LOL! I guess maybe I am not missing anything after all. Who needs Kotaku anyway with the entertaining discourse found here on GOG even I do ignore context, links and just talk out my ass? It's all in good fun. :D
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assassin33: Even the cat is afraid to go near it. XD
LOL! Poor kitty with nowhere to go!