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I will also add that the reason I have not posted the PM conversation is that I was criticised for doing so months ago. I also posted this when at the time all lugum had responded with was that he couldn't and didn't see it as necessary and "okay your issues are with a 1 dollar something bundle? " is a comment that shows me a complete lack of understanding (as always) with his behaviour.

lugum may well indeed have proof and this might just mean that he is probably the biggest leech on GOG and not a scammer. If that is the case, then technically this does not belong in this thread, but like Spinorial I see that much harm being done that it isn't much different.

As with Teshra's post and the replies following in the Steamgifts thread, this paints a picture in total that regardless of evidence shown is enough for myself. If this concludes that I have been inappropriate in posting here, I will edit and remove whatever is deemed necessary.
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mrmarioanonym: could you please discuss lugum in another thread.

i don't want this thread to get locked or otherwise mucked up.

if there's anything definitive, feel free to write it in here, but speculation and arguing is something i ask you to do elsewhere.
My apologies I hadn't refreshed the page when I replied. Done :)
Post edited August 09, 2014 by Tarnicus
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CptFandango: This seems mental! How can you be a scammer but have over 600 rep :O I am a relative noob to the forum but still seems a bit nutty!
Staying out of the Lugum issue and this isn't specific to him at all as I have no reason to believe he does this...

The system can be manipulated. The same ways one person can create multiple alt accounts to derep people unfairly or use flaws in the system to derep people more than they should can be applied to uprep oneself as well. There are people on the forum who have alt accounts who use them to vote up their own posts. Hence why you see some people with insane rep numbers yet you never see them post much. Hence why rep should be used with a grain of salt.
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Tarnicus: Snip...
There was this drunk guy outside the station (kings cross) who walked like his knees were fused, and also a professional lady who was always out early when I was on my way to work, she had a cleavage that kind of came out about a foot and half horizontally form her chest because of a corset and was known as table tits
Post edited August 09, 2014 by CptFandango
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CptFandango: [...] she had a cleavage that kind of came out about a foot and half horizontally form her chest because of a corset and was known as table tits
I may have found a new nickname for my cat. For some odd reason we'd fondly refer to him as "Tits McGee" At any rate, thanks for the laugh! ;-)
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JohnnyDollar: How can lugum post on the forums if he/she is already banned? Your statement seems to contradict itself.
He was previously banned, temporarily, for a year.
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JohnnyDollar: How can lugum post on the forums if he/she is already banned? Your statement seems to contradict itself.
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Spinorial: He was previously banned, temporarily, for a year.
Ah, ok. Just came across the thread and the statement got my curiosity.
I haven't seen lugum posting recently. Was he banned already?
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HijacK: I haven't seen lugum posting recently. Was he banned already?
I saw him online today a little over an hour ago.... I think.
Post edited August 09, 2014 by BillyMaysFan59
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Trust me they wont ban anyone, not for this. they just simply won't, especially if it's not even true. else alot would have been banned already, one best known scammer wakalo might have been, but word is he still has multies around. Even when you are banned they just say you can make another account.

Anyway about that paypal thing, at first i thought there wouldnt be proof so i said to tarnicus (in point 4 he asks for it and in 5 he doesnt) i don't know if there still is, later i found the questionable transactions in the history, i offered him that and if he does not want to accept that and even now continues to call me a fraud and liar for that.
I am still getting scam paypal mails everytime in which i never clicked once on it but it shows and even on google how there is a big leak in paypal's systems.
He just became another one that tells you something, you want to give proof and then they dont want to take it.

What happened with my paypal was real, the money i had on it while 400 euro was the only last bit i had, but our mandatory health insurance costs are massive.
I removed since then my bankaccount from my paypal account and i have not even used it anymore since, and even with money i doubt i would ever will.

The whole me entering things might be questionable to some, i understand that. But tarnicus actually bothered as the only one to ask me about things, and there i learned from him, and i have cut down in entering things, and it seems like for peace it might even better totally atleast for the time being.
But vice versa he said he learned from me not to call out on certain other people so publically like he did yet he does it again.
Even on other subjects, in his words, he had to be in the right mindset and mood, because its shifts from one moment to the other.
Regardless of that to be put in the corner of a scammer that i will object too because that i am simply not, if someone wants that proof that i can trust i will send it, if not people should not make these kind of assumptions.

I don't have multi's else also i could have used those like rwarehall mentioned, then that rep of mine would have been over 800 that's atleast what i lost, not even counting extra.
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Post edited August 10, 2014 by ne_zavarj
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lugum: *snip*
"i was and i really appreciate it though unfortunately i already have it.
yesterday i noticed there was only 1 hour left on the bundle so thinking i would run out on it i pmed momo to ask if i could just borrow the $1 dollar for the bundle.
my paypal account got hacked and 400 euro transferred so that's why i removed my bankaccount from it and not have any funds in it currently (also no job) hence why i couldnt pay it myself.
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1/ How you did plan to pay her back out of curiosity? Hopefully Momo can clarify your communication(which I know she has done elsewhere other times) and I asked her permission before mentioning her here. I confirmed that you hassled her out(see point 4 below)

2/ That was the first contact you had with me and this is the same story with many other naive and generous people - see Spinorial's post

3/ Your above reason for not being able to purchase anything in that moment with a time frame ticking is belied by your past behaviour. Your reply to me says that you'd buy stuff but you don't appear to EVER. Your reply stated you had money in an account but had no means to purchase. At the same time you were doing the same thing of leeching continuously(but you had money in your account - do you want me to post all the links that I've got for that during that time period?). Your Steam account has 483+ games and you have not made a single purchase directly(or boxed copy) as by your own admission to me via PM:

"Let me tell you one person can not even trade cards (or tf2 items :/ which i enjoy) unless they bought something with real money first on steam.
Though maybe it works when someone actually bought a gift from the store rather then a bundle, i have not even bothered to look.
Yes offcourse i have tried to look into selling too, but i am not stealing/ninjaing games just for that, i do buy games from tremor with cards in mind but that would be my own business. Just to get more card drops you need to be a higher level that alone cost a fortune to complete sets, and why i bought a few on tremor also." and

"But that actually requires you to have bought a physical box in the last 10 years.
I have bought games even on gog and gifted some, when i had a job.
The first game on steam i seemed to have had was audiosurf from 6 years ago, which i thought i bought directly from the audiosurf site (there werent even bundles back then), but just checked and the market atleast is still locked for me. "

In your 6 years on Steam you have only been able to purchase a single game and not directly through Steam? You haven't been able to afford a boxed game in 10 years?

4/ You were banned from posting on GOG during this period but hassled out people via PM and Thespian has been your #1 ally with this help. I have quite a chat history with both of you and the pieces started falling into place. It was my choice to be generous but I have learned my lesson.

5/ I was sincere with everything I wrote to you via PM. I lost my temper and got upset and posted before reading your offer to supply evidence. For the reason I believe that evidence is irrelevant, see point 3. You doubt that sincerity because you can't comprehend how I can feel sympathy for another and yet at the same time judge their behaviour as "wrong" (always subjective). All of this would have stayed in PM had your own words not tripped you up once again. I wanted to give you some advice on why you were viewed by others to see if you understood the concept of owning one's mistakes and can see one's own part in a problem. Clearly you can not. Everyone else is out to get you and is to blame. It is amazing how many of the most generous and caring people on GOG feel that way about you.

6/ Please stop contacting me and doing exactly what you have done to Momo. To block me, unblock for a moment and then reblock so I can't reply and nor can I block you when you have blocked me but you can remove it anytime is bullshit. See my forum feature request.

GOG might not ban you or remove your rep or do anything but you have blown it with a lot of people in this community and anyone who gives you anything ever again is a fool.
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lugum: *snip*
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Tarnicus:
You don't simply put me of as a scammer as you are doing without wanting to see the proof, as i said regardless of other things, this is untrue and i can proof that but if you dont then dont say this if it became irrelevant.

I have offered momo several times a game, even ones that she wanted, she doesn't reply so i cannot do anything with that.

I only had audiosurf for 6 years because i didnt even know i had it, i was one of the anti steam people till i started using it, that is the only reason why i never bought anything on Steam. One so called accusation was that i would so get games for steam cards and to make money out of it, that message still stands even once more, as i cannot even trade. Cards cost me tremorcoins to gain levels, rather then earning something.

You misunderstood me there too about not having bought a boxed game in 10 years, how many boxes are there without steam? Maybe i didn't because some required steam actually, or maybe also i want to get rid of all these boxes i have from the past as they are just taking space and everything becoming digital.
When i had money i have bought games here, even gave some away too.

What has those points even have to do with anything?

I have given proof of how a majority of games came from tremor, past bundles, desura. I would give proof about that my paypal was hacked, momo made points which not 1 of them she came up with proof.
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lugum: You don't simply put me up of as a scammer as you are doing without wanting to see the proof, as i said regardless of other things, this is untrue and i can proof that but if you dont then dont say this if it became irrelevant.

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To approach members yourself or through Thespian who you know are very generous and new to the forums when you were unable to post here due to your ban suggesting that you would have bought it is scamming.

"A fraudulent scheme performed by a dishonest individual, group, or company in an attempt obtain money or something else of value. Scams traditionally resided in confidence tricks, where an individual would misrepresent themselves as someone with skill or authority, i.e. a doctor, lawyer, investor. After the internet became widely used, new forms of scams emerged such as lottery scams, scam baiting, email spoofing, phishing, or request for helps. These are considered to be email fraud. Also see phishing, scheme." From here.


i noticed there was only 1 hour left on the bundle so thinking i would run out on it i pmed momo to ask if i could just borrow the $1 dollar for the bundle.
my paypal account got hacked and 400 euro transferred so that's why i removed my bankaccount from it and not have any funds in it currently (also no job) hence why i couldnt pay it myself.


I've said all there is to say. You'll just continue with your infinite loop of plausible deniability. There is enough here for others to make their minds up. Enjoy the last word, whatever it may be.
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lugum: You don't simply put me up of as a scammer as you are doing without wanting to see the proof, as i said regardless of other things, this is untrue and i can proof that but if you dont then dont say this if it became irrelevant.

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Tarnicus: To approach members yourself or through Thespian who you know are very generous and new to the forums when you were unable to post here due to your ban suggesting that you would have bought it is scamming.

"A fraudulent scheme performed by a dishonest individual, group, or company in an attempt obtain money or something else of value. Scams traditionally resided in confidence tricks, where an individual would misrepresent themselves as someone with skill or authority, i.e. a doctor, lawyer, investor. After the internet became widely used, new forms of scams emerged such as lottery scams, scam baiting, email spoofing, phishing, or request for helps. These are considered to be email fraud. Also see phishing, scheme." From here.

i noticed there was only 1 hour left on the bundle so thinking i would run out on it i pmed momo to ask if i could just borrow the $1 dollar for the bundle.
my paypal account got hacked and 400 euro transferred so that's why i removed my bankaccount from it and not have any funds in it currently (also no job) hence why i couldnt pay it myself.


I've said all there is to say. You'll just continue with your infinite loop of plausible deniability. There is enough here for others to make their minds up. Enjoy the last word, whatever it may be.
And again where have i scammed. You are suggesting there that i would not have bought it, and what it said right there is true i never even expected someone to just gift anything, i would have just borrowed a dollar if that would have been possible, or even gift something in return, i asked momo that and i believe she didn't wanted anything back.
It was for 3 bear games, that even i might be a sucker for, but those 3 were also especially for my nieces because i knew they would just love them, and they did, and if not for that hack i could and would have definitely bought it myself.
You are just making this fuss about 1 dollar, because you offered it after momo did, i never tricked momo into anything nor you either in getting me anything, you offered it, combined with thinking that i lie about the hack is what makes you upset about it.

Thespian was not new, or gullible, he is my perhaps only friend here, and if he agrees with you we wouldnt keep talking everyday. I have given him many donations on his giveaways which can all be checked, i have asked him a few times for an entry, correct, but i have given him many private gifts for himself, because he also has issues to deal with in life, that's not being an ally, it's called being a friend and doing things for one and another. Not the so called friendship you say they are.

There is no deniablity with things if one just wants to defend himself against stuff that is just false, you say the paypal hack is a lie, i can give proof, you don't want it (don't say it doesn't matter as else you wouldn't have brought it all up). Regardless what people are making up in their mind, atleast you sure manage to create a where there is smoke there is a fire effect with it. I do also hope people can see the truth whatever they find it to be.
Post edited August 10, 2014 by lugum
lugum, why are you continuing to try I come out clean of all this? You'll have way better chance in other threads with people who don't follow the forum so much and aren't up-to-date with all the information that has been shared here.

I'd say you're way beyond the point of no return here. Even if you manage to write "War & Piece" worth of excuses, the people you are trying to persuade of how you are misunderstood and falsely accused because of being at the wrong place in the wrong time and such, I don't believe you'll be able to achieve your goal.

It's about time you let this go and move on.