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I'm just wondering if anyone other than me would like to see GOG get Star Trek Bridge Commander. I miss that game now that I no longer have XP. That with the mod collection known as Kobayashi Maru. Am I alone in this or are there others?
Is that he one where you was commander of a ship and had all kinds of fun battles with other ships? Told where to shoot on their ship, what kind of evasive manoeuvre, what facing and stuff like that?
If so it was awesome. :)
Post edited January 14, 2011 by Tarm
Yeah, why not, it was a lot of fun!:) Wish i may, wish i might.
Games like this can be VERY difficult for GOG to get due to the Star Trek licensing. Not impossible but difficult. With that in mind I did enjoy this game and the MoO rip off Birth of the Federation. Both fun games and would love to play them again. :)
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Sielle: Games like this can be VERY difficult for GOG to get due to the Star Trek licensing. Not impossible but difficult. With that in mind I did enjoy this game and the MoO rip off Birth of the Federation. Both fun games and would love to play them again. :)
If it wasn't for the fact that GOG managed to pull off the D&D miracle with Hasbro I would say any licensed game would be impossible to get, but since they did pull that off, games like the Star Trek titles have moved from the "impossible" category to the "improbable" category. That's really not much better, but there is a minor glimmer of hope.

That being said, any of the previous mentioned Star Trek titles as well as the two Armada games would be insta-(re)buys for me.
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t4n3: I'm just wondering if anyone other than me would like to see GOG get Star Trek Bridge Commander. I miss that game now that I no longer have XP. That with the mod collection known as Kobayashi Maru. Am I alone in this or are there others?
Bridge Commander was a highly regarded Totally Games (developer of theX-Wing series) production and would fit well with Good Old Games. But I'm not sure who owns that title. Totally Games was the developer, Activision was the publisher, but I'm not sure if GOG could get the right solely from Activision or if they'd have to get it from Paramount too. Probably the latter.

Actually it appears CBS owns the Star Trek "franchise" but feature film and distribution rights are still owned by Paramount.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek#Franchise_ownership
Post edited January 15, 2011 by crazy_dave
Bridge Commander would be a superb fit for GOG. It's the best Star Trek game IMO, and I own a copy, but I think GOG would sooner be able to broker a deal with the Evil Empire (Electronic Arts) for all their juicy backlog of titles (Dungeon Keeper, System Shock, American McGee's Alice, Wing Commander) than snag the licenses for the Star Trek games.

Which unfortunately I don't think is likely either. But, hope springs eternal.
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crazy_dave: Bridge Commander was a highly regarded Totally Games (developer of theX-Wing series) production and would fit well with Good Old Games. But I'm not sure who owns that title. Totally Games was the developer, Activision was the publisher, but I'm not sure if GOG could get the right solely from Activision or if they'd have to get it from Paramount too. Probably the latter.

Actually it appears CBS owns the Star Trek "franchise" but feature film and distribution rights are still owned by Paramount.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek#Franchise_ownership
The gaming rights do seem to be a bit of a sticky area when it comes to Star Trek. The original distribution agreements only applied to the TV and movie rights without ever considering the possibility of games based on either. However, if a game is based on the TV shows, then CBS likely owns the rights and if a game is based on the movies, then Paramount probably owns the rights but if a game doesn't clearly belong to one or the other but rather just takes place in the greater "Trek Universe", its really anybody's guess. I'm sure both Paramount and CBS have lawyers that would love to argue that point.

Let's not forget that CBS/Paramount also had a habit of granting "exclusive rights" to particular game publishers over the years and those rights always came with an expiration date. Interplay, Simon & Schuster, Microprose and Activision each had their turn with the license and right now, no publisher has an exclusive agreement. If I had to guess, that probably means all rights are currently in the hands of CBS Interactive, but I'm sure somebody somewhere would disagree with that.
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Sielle: Games like this can be VERY difficult for GOG to get due to the Star Trek licensing. Not impossible but difficult. With that in mind I did enjoy this game and the MoO rip off Birth of the Federation. Both fun games and would love to play them again. :)
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cogadh: If it wasn't for the fact that GOG managed to pull off the D&D miracle with Hasbro I would say any licensed game would be impossible to get, but since they did pull that off, games like the Star Trek titles have moved from the "impossible" category to the "improbable" category. That's really not much better, but there is a minor glimmer of hope.

That being said, any of the previous mentioned Star Trek titles as well as the two Armada games would be insta-(re)buys for me.
*And then when you figure that Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate 2 are the best rated games here, PS:T is a already top-10 all-time bestseller despite only being here since September, and BG2 has been this site's top seller since it got here November, then I reckon the owners of the Star Trek IP would think it a wise investment, to license their old Star Trek games to be sold here.

* = Go to the Games Catalogue here, click User Rating in the Browse Games tab to see which two games are at the top, then click Bestselling (also under the Browse Games tab) and understand that Beneath a Steel Sky, Lure of the Temptress and Teenagent are all free D/L's, and of course go on gog's front page to see BG2 as its current bestseller.
Post edited January 15, 2011 by bladeofBG
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cogadh: The gaming rights do seem to be a bit of a sticky area when it comes to Star Trek. The original distribution agreements only applied to the TV and movie rights without ever considering the possibility of games based on either. However, if a game is based on the TV shows, then CBS likely owns the rights and if a game is based on the movies, then Paramount probably owns the rights but if a game doesn't clearly belong to one or the other but rather just takes place in the greater "Trek Universe", its really anybody's guess. I'm sure both Paramount and CBS have lawyers that would love to argue that point.

Let's not forget that CBS/Paramount also had a habit of granting "exclusive rights" to particular game publishers over the years and those rights always came with an expiration date. Interplay, Simon & Schuster, Microprose and Activision each had their turn with the license and right now, no publisher has an exclusive agreement. If I had to guess, that probably means all rights are currently in the hands of CBS Interactive, but I'm sure somebody somewhere would disagree with that.
Sounds wonderful ... glad I'm not in GOG legal. I imagine the situation was stickier with the D&D games though since there was an active struggle over who owned the rights not just a confusion over who did and GOG managed to get them. So there's always a chance. I like to be optimistic. I did like some of those old Star Trek games ... but I probably shouldn't be spending any more money since I can't even find the time to play the games I have already bought!

Although I have to admit, if GOG got LucasArts games ... well that might break my willpower. At least there the franchise owner and publisher were the same group. The only thing is to convince them to sell on GOG ...
Post edited January 15, 2011 by crazy_dave
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cogadh: If it wasn't for the fact that GOG managed to pull off the D&D miracle with Hasbro I would say any licensed game would be impossible to get, but since they did pull that off, games like the Star Trek titles have moved from the "impossible" category to the "improbable" category. That's really not much better, but there is a minor glimmer of hope.

That being said, any of the previous mentioned Star Trek titles as well as the two Armada games would be insta-(re)buys for me.
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bladeofBG: *And then when you figure that Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate 2 are the best rated games here, PS:T is a already top-10 all-time bestseller despite only being here since September, and BG2 has been this site's top seller since it got here November, then I reckon the owners of the Star Trek IP would think it a wise investment, to license their old Star Trek games to be sold here.

* = Go to the Games Catalogue here, click User Rating in the Browse Games tab to see which two games are at the top, then click Bestselling (also under the Browse Games tab) and understand that Beneath a Steel Sky, Lure of the Temptress and Teenagent are all free D/L's, and of course go on gog's front page to see BG2 as its current bestseller.
Except big releases like that are almost always the best selling games for a little while after their initial release. After two or three months, the best sellers will change completely (assuming we get another big title) or return to the normal best sellers, the Fallout games. This is not the first time a game or group of games have taken the top slots like that; it happened when Duke Nukem arrived, it happened when Broken Sword arrived, it happened when HoMM arrived, it happened when Temple of Elemental Evil arrived... it never lasts long and I'm sure it will happen again.
Post edited January 15, 2011 by cogadh
^ I hear ya Cogadh.

However, PS:T has only been here for 3.5 months and is already top 10, 8th to be exact (7th, if indeed Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games was the gift by gog that I heard was given to users some time ago before I became a member). I think that's valuable data in terms of the Star Trek IP holders making a decision to sell here or not.

The point you made more refers to BG2 being the dominant seller for 2 months (since its Nov 16th '10 release here). Again however, BG2 is currently their 12th best alltime seller, despite being here for only 2 months, and despite being a bigtime seller when it first hit the market (as I'm not sure if most folk who bought it then would buy it again now, seeing they already have it), as opposed to PS:T, which only achieved cult classic status upon its initial release. Again I think that's valuable data, seeing the success of these AD&D games in order to measure if old Star Trek games may have similar success in their old games getting a 2nd breath of life.

Temple of Elemental Evil is currently 20th, and I was a member when it was first released here and was an AD&D fan when the game was initially released in '03. Not trying to be dour, but I think ToEE's success here has more to do w/its $5.99 price tag, as opposed to $9.99 of the other AD&D games here! Ha!

Perhaps all of that may simply be semantics regarding our clashing views on this, but I think a very valid point - in terms of if Star Trek has good data enough to decide to sell here on gog or not - is that ever since PS:T and BG2 (two big name AD&D titles), they've been #1 and #2 in User Rating. I think that's an important factor. I don't believe any other game is even in the ballpark, in terms of User Rating + time available on gog.com.

I think its all good data to use, for big name IP's wondering if they should sell here or not! :OD
Post edited January 15, 2011 by bladeofBG
Bridge Commander was great. As was Star Trek: Away Team, really enjoyed it.
I never got to try bridge commander which is something that always bugged me because it looked cool so it'd be an instant buy for me but then again probably at least a quarter of the star trek games would be an instant purchase for me
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Aliasalpha: I never got to try bridge commander which is something that always bugged me because it looked cool so it'd be an instant buy for me but then again probably at least a quarter of the star trek games would be an instant purchase for me
Never did either, but ironically I was playing Starfleet Comand III last night, and I got round to reinstalling Birth of the Federation. The problem is I dont have the manuals for them anymore and I havent got a clue how to play BotF and it took me a while to figure SCIII out, What annoys me about SCIII is that im trying to get some prestige to improve my fighting capability and all of a sudden the flippin computer just takes me to a mission, bloody annoying.