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If Microsoft hadn't derailed itself, I might spare a single pity roll to see how much I care, but this is entirely their fault.
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tejozaszaszas: http://www.scroogled.com/chromebook/

Not a big fan of Microsoft but this ad its really funny... also illegal under the spanish law, so I guess we won´t see this kind of stuff here.
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hedwards: It's MS, I couldn't help but notice that little lie about Office, who in their right mind uses that flaming turd any more?
Offices. The place where I work bought software that requires a database engine, and postgres is vastly preferable. Fuck, they even hired me on the basis of knowing postgres and [having seen] Linux. But the it department went absolutely apeshit and insisted that we use windows server and mssql. And now we do, and I have to mod code to make the software work with mssql, because said software makes use of postgres features that mssql doesn't fucking have. Did I mention they pirate it? Because they do, if the cops can't go in and seize the whole shebang (and if they could, the damage would be far, far worse), it's a free for all. Pirated ms is still considered better than free software. Just kill me already.

And don't even get me started on ms office, people go on strike when they have to work with anything else. They look ready to murder me for the wrong version of ms office, but open/libre/symphony is absolutely out of the question. Because, again, ms office's formatting and editing features do not translate well to open formats. Even people who bought macs have to set up a separate partition with windows for windows-only software, not to mention use ms office for macs. (It's not pirated, though, because workstations are something that cops can actually seize.)
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hedwards: who in their right mind uses that flaming turd any more?
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Starmaker: Offices.
Schools too. My nephew and niece, along with their schools use it for all of their projects. It's the only software available to the students at a subsidized price for their laptops, and it's the only thing their schools computers use, they're not even aware other similar software actually exists.
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Fenixp: The dynamic ribbon interface is one of the most productive tools I have ever seen in the world of word processors. So yes, I happen to use Office.
Agreed. It takes a bit of getting used to at first, coming from an older version, but it's really miles ahead of everything being hidden in the menu bar. Using a beginner book helps a ton for this, and if you're already familiar with Office, the exercises are a breeze (and fun to boot).
Speaking of Office, the changes in the latest one are inexcusable. Word 2013 takes up 5-6 times as much working memory as Word 2010 did, and for some reason it takes upward of 10-15 seconds to save large documents, while 2010 only took 2 seconds at most.

Also, that "smooth" text cursor was a really dumb idea, and you have to jump through Windows hoops to disable it.
Post edited November 30, 2013 by AvistTorch
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hedwards: Suddenly? The only reason I stuck with Windows for as long as I did was that that mac guy is a complete asshole.
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ChrisSD: That's why you should use Linux. Linus isn't an arsehole at all. He is a bit of a git though.
Oh this made me laugh harder than it should.
Yeah, I saw that chromebook add and totally agreed with it. What the fuck can you do with a chromebook anyway? And I like Google and my android phone. But I need an x86 laptop, not that piece of shit that couldn't run any of the games in my catalog. No storage on the damn thing, you have to store everything on Google's Servers...no thanks.
If Microsoft wasn't so in love with that shitty fisherprice UI of Windows 8 and had a real phone OS, I might have switched to a windows phone. But egads is that a stupid interface.

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hedwards: It's MS, I couldn't help but notice that little lie about Office, who in their right mind uses that flaming turd any more?
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Fenixp: The dynamic ribbon interface is one of the most productive tools I have ever seen in the world of word processors. So yes, I happen to use Office.
I still use office. Running 2010 at the moment with the Ribbon UI. I don't particularly like the Ribbon, but if you want to be able to open the docx file format you have to be running 2007 or newer Office. And my coworkers will save everything in one of those new formats instead of saving to a .doc.
Not sure if LibreOffice can run docx file formats, but my experience with libreoffice was horrible. I could get by with the Word program, but the spreadsheet program was missing a lot, and I do not believe they had a Access replacement and I love that database program.
Post edited November 30, 2013 by jjsimp
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hedwards: It's MS, I couldn't help but notice that little lie about Office, who in their right mind uses that flaming turd any more?
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Fenixp: The dynamic ribbon interface is one of the most productive tools I have ever seen in the world of word processors. So yes, I happen to use Office.
As long as you never have to do anything that isn't on the ribbon, and you're willing to take a class in how to use it's completely unintuitive interface, it's not so bad. I've used the ribbon and it's complete crap. It hides things that I need to use in obscure places and generally makes my life miserable when I'm using.

The reality is that short cut keys do the same thing with far more efficiency and without the side effects of hiding less used items in completely unintuitive place. I tutor students that need to find something and sometimes it's hidden in a way that requires that you know that it's there in order to find it. I remember a few times trying to help them find something and even with an instruction sheet, it was damn near impossible to located the desired option.

I realize that UI has gone down hill over the last 10 years, but seriously, you shouldn't have to know where something is in order to find it.
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Fenixp: The dynamic ribbon interface is one of the most productive tools I have ever seen in the world of word processors. So yes, I happen to use Office.
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grape1829: Agreed. It takes a bit of getting used to at first, coming from an older version, but it's really miles ahead of everything being hidden in the menu bar. Using a beginner book helps a ton for this, and if you're already familiar with Office, the exercises are a breeze (and fun to boot).
Hidden? The previous versions had those things organized in a relatively intuitive fashion. For things that you used regularly, you would learn the short cut key and not even bother going to the menu.

The point is that MS is the only one that was doing that for good reason, it's a shit UI design and I can't help but notice that neither Libreoffice nor OpenOffice are attempting to replicate it. Mostly because it's a garbage design. I can't recall having seen any of the other office suites taking it up either.
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Fenixp: The dynamic ribbon interface is one of the most productive tools I have ever seen in the world of word processors. So yes, I happen to use Office.
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jjsimp: I still use office. Running 2010 at the moment with the Ribbon UI. I don't particularly like the Ribbon, but if you want to be able to open the docx file format you have to be running 2007 or newer Office. And my coworkers will save everything in one of those new formats instead of saving to a .doc.
Not sure if LibreOffice can run docx file formats, but my experience with libreoffice was horrible. I could get by with the Word program, but the spreadsheet program was missing a lot, and I do not believe they had a Access replacement and I love that database program.
LIbreoffice is getting better, but it really depends what bits of office they're using. The more commonly used functions seem to work fine, but copying back and for and back and forth is probably risky. It's mostly the esoteric things that are likely to cause problems.

Excel doesn't irritate me quite as much as they didn't screw around with the formula editor to the extent that they did with other things. And that tends to be the main point of the program.
Post edited November 30, 2013 by hedwards
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jjsimp: if you want to be able to open the docx file format you have to be running 2007 or newer Office.
No you don't.
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ChrisSD: That's why you should use Linux. Linus isn't an arsehole at all. He is a bit of a git though.
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Titanium: Oh this made me laugh harder than it should.
When I launched IE , I saw the MSN page and it said don't get Scroogled by the Chrome Book.

Microsoft is guilty of invasion of privacy themselves. Product Activation is the cream of the crop.
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hedwards: Suddenly? The only reason I stuck with Windows for as long as I did was that that mac guy is a complete asshole.
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MaximumBunny: You..used a product simply because you didn't like a commercial by its competitor? o_O
That's a actually a valid reason. There are two aspects to it:

(1) The meta-message of the commercial itself. Anyone with at least half a brain knows the literal message is a lie ("if you buy a mac, you'll be as cool and fuckable as the mac guy"). The following, however, is 100% true unless the company is sabotaging itself:
"we think you're the type of person who will find this image attractive".
So, for example, different shampoo commercials may presuppose you're:
- a stay-at-home mother with a score of whiny toddlers;
- a party dude who parties so hard he doesn't have time to clean up;
- a lady of negotiable affection who enjoys strangers blowing their load in her hair.

(2) "What other people think of you" is actually important, and brands are a factor. People are going to treat you differently if you have a crew cut and unbranded sneakers than if you wear lacquered shoes and shoulder-length curly blond hair, and people will treat you differently depending on whether you have a pc or a mac, because "mac person" is an actual meme that Apple has knowingly cultivated. They will think you're the kind of person that finds the brand message attractive, and judge you accordingly.
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hedwards: ...
Yeah, I won't be learning shortcut keys. Sorry, can't bother. With that in mind, the new Office interface always gives me exactly the set of options that I need in the particular situation that I'm in, without searching for the options obscurely tucked away in sub-menus of other sub-menus. So yeah, it seems my experience is the precise opposite of yours - the old interface always felt clunky and unintuitive to me, which is a belief you have now streghtened by talking of shortcut keys. The new one, on the other hand, always gives me precisely what I need at the time I need it.

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hedwards: you shouldn't have to know where something is in order to find it.
QFT :-P
Post edited December 01, 2013 by Fenixp
Everyone knows that chromebooks are not real laptops. It's hard to tell what chromebooks actually are.
Post edited December 01, 2013 by keeveek
Comparative ads are crap. I am glad this is forbidden in europe (afaik it is still the case).
I've just purchased a refurb laptop and one of the main factors was that it runs on Win 7 which is preferable to me than Win 8 or RT.

As for the advertising, I don't see this as any less ethical than any other form of ads/marketing.They are designed to target an audience using carefully chosen images and music clips. The budgets are huge, the research is extensive and the individuals putting it all together are highly qualified and very talented. With the constant bombardment of ads on TV, radio, web, on billboards...it's no longer freedom of choice - it's no longer a level playing field.