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Hi there guys,
Looking to buy me a fine RPG dungeon crawler type game and I am divided between these four titles. And before you say "They are great! And Cheap! Buy them all!" let me just explain that, unfortunately, I wouldn't have the time.
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/ishar_1_2
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/stonekeep
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/realms_of_arkania_3
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/might_and_magic_6_limited_edition
I have read several of the reviews for these titles but still can�t make my mind. I like deep and good stories and am willing to face some gameplay frustration if it is worth it in this reggard. As far as eye candy go, I have some problems with this early "photorealistic" -more like "pixelrealistic"- graphics, but if the gameplay is there I can make the effort. I also prefer party-based games over solo adventures.
Thank you all in advance for taking the time to help me, and cheers from sunny Brazil!
Post edited January 24, 2010 by Solari
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IMO, go with Might and Magic, specifically the worlds of xeen. Which combines two of the games (4 & 5) into one that you transport between the light and dark worlds to do some combined quests. Overall great games.
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Solari: Hi there guys,
Looking to buy me a fine RPG dungeon crawler type game and I am divided between these four titles. And before you say "They are great! And Cheap! Buy them all!" let me just explain that, unfortunately, I wouldn't have the time.
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/ishar_1_2
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/stonekeep
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/realms_of_arkania_3
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/might_and_magic_6_limited_edition
I have read several of the reviews for these titles but still can�t make my mind. I like deep and good stories and am willing to face some gameplay frustration if it is worth it in this reggard. As far as eye candy go, I have some problems with this early "photorealistic" -more like "pixelrealistic"- graphics, but if the gameplay is there I can make the effort. I also prefer party-based games over solo adventures.
Thank you all in advance for taking the time to help me, and cheers from sunny Brazil!

I would say go for Realms of Arkania Shadows over Riva as opposed to the first two if you are short on time (the first one is so-so anyhow). My reasons are as follows:
- involving 'intra-party' storytelling: each individual in your party occasionally interrupts with their own input or observations as you travel, each will comment on certain things you try to do (with chunky written descriptions of their attempts to force open a door, use a crowbar or magic etc.). To give a simple example, if you wander around with no clothes on your leading character might receive some angry remarks, and as you walk the streets someone might try to grope another female part member etc.
- a large number of 'random events' throughout your journeys, which makes travelling seem less monotonous.
- relatively superior graphics than Ishar, and on par with M&M (although this is arguable and I tend not to place too much weight on it).
- deep and complex system which allows perfect modelling of character, personality etc. Characters can be afraid of heights (and refuse to cross bridges with you), one can be claustraphobic, one may be seductive etc. Admittedly, not all attributes affect gameplay seriously, but it adds to role-play if you can have one of your group dance for money in the taverns.
- strong party mechanics: in combat (tactical, turn based) and in adventuring (you can split up your party, have one fellow scout ahead or other). When you rest you must assign guard duties et al. (so it really feels like you are micromanaging several people, as opposed to 1 multi-faceted, many-faced 'being')
As for the others:
Ishar: I never really got into this. Dialogues were confusing. One positive aspect is that intra-party politics is modelled, so party members can oppose you should you wish to kick one out (etc.) but other than this I wasn't too impressed.
Stonekeep: not very involving, and a tedious hack-and-slash battle system. Graphics are animated sprites converted from real photos, but they look too childish for my tastes. Not very absorbing really, and terribly, terribly cliche dialogue.
Might and Magic: reasonable. I hated the real-time combat option, but you are free to play turn based. Only issue is it doesn't feel too much like you're controlling a party, just a collective mass capable of shooting arrows and fireballs etc...
Hm, well what about Arx Fatalis? It's solo but such a great game...
Although I can't really recommend it due to the major loading issues (takes forever sometimes).
@Solari's posting
All the games are great but if you don't have the time you won't be able to enjoy them. :-)
I personally would tell you it depends on your playing style. If you like character management and rather "classical" dungeon exploring feeling like in Eye of the Beholder you should go with Realms of Arkania. If you like to explore a big world and have a good RPG where you don't need to care for character development, you should definitely play Might and Magic 3 and World of Xeen. However, be warned that World of Xeen is big and will take a few dozens of hours (to me it took over ten years to kill the very last enemy, but the main quest was done after a few weeks, I think). Oh yes, and M&M 6 is probably the second worst in the main series (topped only by 9) but it's still fun (9 isn't fun anymore). It's however not what you look for, I suppose since they made 3D dungeons. I wouldn't say the M&M series is a classical dungeon crawler, anyway.
Stonekeep - not played yet but bought it last year (the reviews say it's much like Eye of the Beholder so this might be something for you)
Ishar - Only played much through 3 but I didn't see many dungeons (none at all). Judging from the screenshots, the dungeons are from 1 or 2.
Well, you also could try downloading The Elder Scrolls 1 and 2 from the following link. Although 2 is reported to be buggy (read: some say it's almost unplayable while others have only a few bugs). The whole games are about going through dungeons and even more dungeons and then another dungeon. Or so it seems. :-)
http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/downloads_games.htm
No, honestly, I only started both but they became too... hard to say... the world of 1 is too open for me and 2 didn't hook me. But for you it sounds good.
Post edited January 24, 2010 by Protoss
I find it too easy to pick Realms of Arkania 3. It's the least dated of all, and my favorite of those four all around!
Stonekeep was a good game in its time but nowadays I find it hard to get through the most purist dungeon-crawling thing. I've never been a great fan of either MM6 and Ishar... one is just basically a poor mix of old school-dungeon-crawling and 3D, the other aged too fast and feels like a bad rip-off of the older Might & Magic titles.
Realms of Arkania is easy-going, has great atmosphere, solid graphics and gameplay in comparison to all the games you pointed out, and is basically a better game all around in my opinion. For me, any and all Realms of Arkania games beat any and all of the games you asked about.
A final tip: as someone else pointed out, World of Xeen is better than M&M 6 too. :)
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Solari: Thank you all in advance for taking the time to help me, and cheers from sunny Brazil!

Speaking to you from Brazil too ;)
Avoid Stonekeep at all costs, it is terrible. Might and Magic or (if you can get it to work) Arx Fatalis are nice.
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Whiteblade999: Avoid Stonekeep at all costs, it is terrible. Might and Magic or (if you can get it to work) Arx Fatalis are nice.

I personally disagree and think Stonekeep is a wonderful game that I have gotten many hours of enjoyment out of thus far.
Clearly not as deep as some, but fun to play and where you do not have a lot of time it may just fit what you are after.
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Whiteblade999: Avoid Stonekeep at all costs, it is terrible.

A lot of people would disagree with you, like Faithful. ;)
Post edited January 25, 2010 by chautemoc
RoA 3.
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Whiteblade999: Avoid Stonekeep at all costs, it is terrible.
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chautemoc: A lot of people would disagree with you, like Faithful. ;)

Yep, in fact I have 43 or GOG Games and Stonekeep is presently the only GOG game installed on my system.
I keep going back to it over and over as it is simply fun to play.
Humm, thanks everyone for your insights. I think I will go with RoA 3. I like what I heard about how to manage a party and such.
If it proves to daunting for me, I guess I'll give M&M a try some other time.
Thank again.
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Solari: Humm, thanks everyone for your insights. I think I will go with RoA 3. I like what I heard about how to manage a party and such.
If it proves to daunting for me, I guess I'll give M&M a try some other time.
Thank again.

I think you've made the right choice (obviously, given my comments above). Thanks for choosing my solution! I hope it works out, and M&M is a good next-bet, as the other fellows here advocate.
Just to add, I wouldn't want to speak down of any of the other games. I can understand why stonekeep appeals to some people, and Ishar does hold strong regard in some circles.
Otherwise - have fun! but make sure you read the manual first!
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fax_: ...

YOU have made me buy it too. Your description sounds like precisely what I want to play. In your sake, I hope it will be worth it, because if not ... hell will break loose. MWUHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
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fax_: YOU have made me buy it too. Your description sounds like precisely what I want to play. In your sake, I hope it will be worth it, because if not ... hell will break loose. MWUHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
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Fenixp: Gordon Bennett, surely you sought a second opinion as well?
I came across RoA3 while searching for something to fill the 'Black Isle Void'. The problem was that I hated playing some lone hero, and sought to find something that actually felt more like a group of adventurers (obviously to compensate for a lack of human companions in the real world(!)). I'm not saying that RoA3 is of the standard of Baldur's Gate, but it was for me a comfortable successor (on my personal play list), given adequate amounts of imagination &c. If you don't like classic rpgs in general it might not be so pleasant experience, but I like to hope that I am not alone in believing it to be a cut above the others (in the aspects I described in my first post). At least - there are still quite a few Germans online who rate the series as their favourite CRPG series of 'all time', and additional favourable reviews to boot.
It's still old, I'm afraid I may have over egged it. I would always point people to do extra research using external reviews, before advising purchase.
Reviews:
http://www.avault.com/reviews/pc/shadows-over-riva-pc-review/
http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/shadowsoverriva/review.html
Review, Hints and Tips: (I strongly recommend reading the Hints and Tips before play; I don't agree with some of the review's comments though)
http://www.angelfire.com/hero/tjekanefir/riva.htm
As for the rest of the series, you may also want to take a look at RoA2: Star Trail, if things are to your taste (plus there are more Star Trail reviews about in English.) RoA is superior though. RoA1 is very mediocre
Post edited January 25, 2010 by fax_