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N0x0ss: I'm one of those who considers Diablo, Titan's quest and the likes... Hack & Slash Games rather then C-RPGs...
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yulwei: there will always be people who conflate the two because of their common roots, refusing to engage the fact that while, e.g., D&D was derived from a purely tactical combat system, the point of transformation was adding roleplaying. but i'm on your team; adding a "C" to RPGs was painful enough since obviously there are still monumental obstacles to crafting a series of programs open-ended enough to be worthy of "the name"... though i have hope that iron realms/muds etc. will one day blissfully merge with graphical masterpieces and flawless performance talent in a holy trifecta of immersion...
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Elmofongo: thats a problem with most non-linear games.
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yulwei: your 'problem' is my 'extreme comfort'. :D
I made that statment during a time where I tried attempting the other games, but got frustrated and that was directly after I finished Ultima 4 so it was a combination of getting used to said game and exhaustion of playing Ultima 4.

But if I played Morrowind I could play Ultima 6 and 7 since I just have to apply that Open World sandbox mentality to Ultima's 6 and 7.

But I doubt I could play Ultima 5, thats games looks way too much, even for me.
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yulwei: magic orbs? i say get over it :P

the Hythloth orbs are of course the worst for companions, since getting any of them to level 7, let alone 8, is almost invariably tedious. however, only about half of the classes truly benefit from increasing all 3 stats.

Covetous' orbs are as perfect for Fighters and Shepherds as Deceit's are pointless, etc.

what's more, you don't exactly want to be toying with Hythloth until you can manage Resurrect, which is the perfect solution to (a) maxing out Stats without (b) having to level everyone to 6+ (4+ for Fighter/Shepherd as noted).

- someone whose hit points are exactly the amount removed by the Orb will survive (if they weren't Poisoned at the time), which on Level 1 of Hythloth (but sadly only for those with 600 or more HP in the first place) makes for absurdly easy departure and Holing up aboveground, and otherwise is a risk kept in check by Heal spells or happening to have a healing fountain nearby.

- my last playthrough had all 7 companioins at level 5 or 6 (Iolo managed 7 before the Abyss and Shamino qualified for 7 while down there) without any sheer grinding (though i understand considering "oops, journeyed/slashed across the mainland and then remembered something and had to journey/slash all the way back" grinding...)

- figuring out Gate and Resurrect (and having the modicum of patience to harvest Mandrake) takes care of essentially every problem other than, say, irreconcilable differences with the morality system.
I don't think I remember using Resurrect at all, perhaps its because I rarely die by the hands of monsters and I had plenty of curing spells for poison. But man I hated the Balrons and Tree Creetures that spams the sleep spell, worse if you have the volume on because it slows the game down to a crawl and you have to listen to the "eeeee" sound everytime they cast it. Thank goodness for the option to shut down volume.
Post edited December 01, 2013 by Elmofongo
I was planning to play Ultima 7 as I was very excited about a game with all the NPCs having their own schedule and I've read some old fan article about interactive the game was (he basically got lost because he decided he was going to cook a lot of bread for some reason which I thought was hilarious) but then I entered into a decision between using half-stable Exult or continue without it and when I was finally done getting to a good technical situation of the game (also reading up on how I should approach it and all) I had lost all interactive/NPC schedule spirit and gave up...

Whenever this happens I just take a break from gaming because it's like the universe is against me.

Anyway, I would advise you try Ultima 7. It seems to be a very unique gaming experience once you settle into the world. ;)
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Barefoot_Monkey: I don't remember the laws affecting me personally, but it has been a really long time since I played. They certainly have a big effect on the NPCs' lives though - the Laws come up constantly in conversations.
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Elmofongo: After trying as best as I can I rage quited Ultima 5, I get poisoned here more often than I do in 4 :P

So than I decided, if I am going to play these GOG RPGs, its best I play the Windows RPGs since EVERYBODY here grew up with them more than the DOS RPGs.

So I decided to get into the Windows RPGs first than put the DOS RPGs I have (Wizardry, Ultima, Might and Magic, Bard's Tale) later.

Now I the windows game I want to play is Fallout 1 and I will beat it, and best of all its not as obscure as the DOS RPGs so I can easily find more concrete information on the internet and ask you guys for help if needed.

Which is now, where do I get Water in this game?
I always liked the Might and Magic series way better than Ultima. Major props for finishing Ultima IV! I think I got halfway and just shelved it.
I played a little bit of Lazarus and it does seem really good, but I've held off on it so far because I do want to give Ultima 4 a shot first. I hate doing stuff out of order.

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tinyE: This is only my opinion and in the grand scheme of things is worth less than a box full of dead rats at a tampon factory, but as someone who actually completed Dungeon Siege I have to confess I thought it was WAY too long and stopped being exciting or fun five or so hours in.
Funny, four or five hours in is right about where I quit playing DS 1.
Bloody hell, maybe it's time that I try the Ultima series. Wizardry 6 kicked my ass and I found that I did not have enough time to really dedicate to learning the ins and outs of the mechanics.
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Elmofongo: But man I hated the Balrons and [Reapers] that spams the sleep spell...
...which is what Negate is for ;)
also, Poisoned characters are resistant to Sleep and there are ways to engineer this to your advantage.
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Nirth: I was planning to play Ultima 7 as I was very excited about a game with all the NPCs having their own schedule
this began with Ultima V, actually. (not sure if VI carried it on but i presume it does, and will find out after my next playthrough of V!)
Post edited December 01, 2013 by yulwei
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Elmofongo: To see this whole series though, and the next game I will play is Ultima 5 which everybody says is WAAAY better than Ultima 4.

Also I dedicating 2013 to beating classic CRPGs, I already beaten Diablo 1 and 2, so now I decided to do Ultima.
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Licurg: Dude, you haven't beaten Diablo 2. You don't beat the game until you finish it on Hell.
Yes Diablo is not that kind of game. Real game start Mid-End Nightmare and in Hell. Your character starts to take shape at that levels and also good items are starting to come. Finishing Diablo in Normal is in fact playing a 15 minutes of demo of Diablo. Yes that game has that scale of content to see.
Post edited December 01, 2013 by grinninglich
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Licurg: Dude, you haven't beaten Diablo 2. You don't beat the game until you finish it on Hell.
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Elmofongo: You expect me to go through hell mode, possible smashing my laptop in utter frustration :P
With a no physical conduct, necromancer only, maximum skeletons.
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Elmofongo: In the end though I am moving on to Ultima 7, 5 is too hard for me, 6 while better has too many inconvineances such as the screen is too small and what the fuck am I supposed to do, thats a problem with most non-linear games.
You do receive a goal at the beginning of Ultima 6: recapture the shrines from the gargoyles. After that (or alongside it) you can work on figuring out what provoked the invasion.
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Elmofongo: In the end though I am moving on to Ultima 7, 5 is too hard for me, 6 while better has too many inconvineances such as the screen is too small and what the fuck am I supposed to do, thats a problem with most non-linear games.
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Garran: You do receive a goal at the beginning of Ultima 6: recapture the shrines from the gargoyles. After that (or alongside it) you can work on figuring out what provoked the invasion.
Any side quests in the game?
Sure - and plenty of stuff that you can find by exploring that isn't really related to any particular quest.