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HypersomniacLive: I got information that a DRM-free version for Lucius was added.
Since the Info Card on Groupees hasn't been updated to reflect this, can someone that already bought the bundle confirm that a standalone DRM-free installer has been added to your account?

Thanks ahead.
Yep, it's there.
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HypersomniacLive: I got information that a DRM-free version for Lucius was added.
Very nice, thanks for the heads-up. Downloading as I type. :)
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Psyringe: Very nice, thanks for the heads-up. Downloading as I type. :)
I spend three days pestering everyone involved, glad to see that it paid off ;P
Usually the reply is "We will try to include DRM-free versions in the future if possible", so kudos to Kiss Ltd for acting.

BTW, Groupees told me they include what ever the devs/ publishers give them and Kiss Ltd told me Groupess asked only for Steam keys - don't you love this crappy PR games?

Anyway, I think it's time to get the bundle now :-)
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HypersomniacLive: "We will try to include DRM-free versions in the future if possible"
That doesn't even make sense in build-a-bundle situations. I normally skip the games that only have steam keys and prefer the ones that also have DRM-free downloads (even if I own them on steam already). Makes me wonder if I've actually missed games because of this.
Also, Groupees seems to have caught the bad habit of not updating the game descriptions. They did the same thing with Reign: Conflict of Nations in the 1C bunde.

Anyway, thanks for your efforts!
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DarkoD13: That doesn't even make sense in build-a-bundle situations.
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I don't get it, why doesn't it?


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DarkoD13: snip
Also, Groupees seems to have caught the bad habit of not updating the game descriptions. They did the same thing with Reign: Conflict of Nations in the 1C bunde.
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They're also in the bad habit of not making enough effort to put accurate info in the Info Cards. Zigrfak was listed as DRM-free when that bundle went live, even after the dev admitted in the chat that it requires online activation. It was later changed but it still doesn't disclose the online activation requirement.


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DarkoD13: snip
Anyway, thanks for your efforts!
Not that big of an effort actually - just a single email to each of the involved parties. Frankly, I didn't expect anything to come out of it, hence the kudos to Kiss Ltd.
Ooh, DRM-Free Lucious. Nice.

Its also worth noting that 'Survivor Squad' just got greenlit, so steam keys will be brought in when it is on steam :)
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DarkoD13: That doesn't even make sense in build-a-bundle situations.
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HypersomniacLive: I don't get it, why doesn't it?
I think Darko's point is that it's not very useful to advertise a game as "may have a DRM-free download eventually, but we can't guarantee it", since the customers who are interested in a DRM-free version would not pick that game in a build-a-bundle if there's only a vague chance to get what they really want. I don't think I agree with that argumentation, but that's how I understood it.

The reason why I don't agree is that bundles are so cheap. The customer who wants a DRM-free download, and buys a Steam game that is advertised as "may be getting a DRM-free version eventually, but we can't guarantee it", is taking a gamle. But the prices are so cheap that the gamble may seem worth it. To prove the point, people who buy games that are on Greenlight, and want them on Steam, are taking the same gamble, just the other way round. And it doesn't seem to affect the popularity of these bundles and games negatively.
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Psyringe: I think Darko's point is that it's not very useful to advertise a game as "may have a DRM-free download eventually, but we can't guarantee it", since the customers who are interested in a DRM-free version would not pick that game in a build-a-bundle if there's only a vague chance to get what they really want. I don't think I agree with that argumentation, but that's how I understood it.

The reason why I don't agree is that bundles are so cheap. The customer who wants a DRM-free download, and buys a Steam game that is advertised as "may be getting a DRM-free version eventually, but we can't guarantee it", is taking a gamle. But the prices are so cheap that the gamble may seem worth it. To prove the point, people who buy games that are on Greenlight, and want them on Steam, are taking the same gamble, just the other way round. And it doesn't seem to affect the popularity of these bundles and games negatively.
I see now, but I didn't mean it as a potential advertising line for future bundles.
I mentioned it because it's the easy_way_out_reply from bundle hosts/ organizers and devs/ publishers I usually get when I contact them to express my disappointment about a game being offered only as a Steam key even though it has a DRM-free standalone version.
Note that they never mean that they might add the DRM-free download to a previous or running bundle, they always say "for future bundles".

I don't think the Greenlight comparison is fitting. With games on Greenlight, devs usually promise a Steam key and they do so beforehand (it's on the game's Info Card) - the gamble lies with Steam's Greenlight and has nth to do with the bundle in question. In the case of a game that is already DRM-free available but is not offered as such in a bundle, there's no gamble to take because that option is never added afterwards; the only way to get the DRM-free version is to buy it again.

How many bundles did you buy where DRM-free standalone versions were added later on?
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HypersomniacLive: I see now, but I didn't mean it as a potential advertising line for future bundles.
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Note that they never mean that they might add the DRM-free download to a previous or running bundle, they always say "for future bundles".
Ah, I misunderstood that (sorry).

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HypersomniacLive: I don't think the Greenlight comparison is fitting. With games on Greenlight, devs usually promise a Steam key and they do so beforehand (it's on the game's Info Card) - the gamble lies with Steam's Greenlight and has nth to do with the bundle in question. In the case of a game that is already DRM-free available but is not offered as such in a bundle, there's no gamble to take because that option is never added afterwards; the only way to get the DRM-free version is to buy it again.
I agree. My comparison only makes sense when one misunderstands your original statement in the way I did. Now that that's cleared up, I agree that Greenlight is not a proper comparison, for the reasons you stated.

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HypersomniacLive: How many bundles did you buy where DRM-free standalone versions were added later on?
Not many. I think it did happen occasionally, but mostly due to customers bugging the devs or bundle managers.
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jamyskis: Just a shame that Groupees is continuing down the Humble Bundle road of abandoning any kind of principles and is only providing a Steam key despite the obvious existence of a DRM-free version.
It would be a shame if they keep going down this road. So many shit bundles with Steam only options. Blame the devs for being scared of piracy (games get cracked 99% of the time so why bother drming it?!!)
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nijuu: It would be a shame if they keep going down this road. So many shit bundles with Steam only options. Blame the devs for being scared of piracy (games get cracked 99% of the time so why bother drming it?!!)
Not necessarily, especially when it comes to games that are already available DRM-free. If I run a bundle of five games for the price of $1, how would I make more profit with the least of effort - by offering direct downloads (i.e. introducing server fees I have to pay) or by offering Steam keys (i.e. shifting any and all costs to Valve) for as many games as possible?

I never had the impression that Groupees was some kind of concious DRM-free supporter. It seems to me that it's more about numbers with them and the DRM-free crowd is not considered big enough to cater to it from a financial POV.
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nijuu: It would be a shame if they keep going down this road. So many shit bundles with Steam only options. Blame the devs for being scared of piracy (games get cracked 99% of the time so why bother drming it?!!)
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HypersomniacLive: Not necessarily, especially when it comes to games that are already available DRM-free. If I run a bundle of five games for the price of $1, how would I make more profit with the least of effort - by offering direct downloads (i.e. introducing server fees I have to pay) or by offering Steam keys (i.e. shifting any and all costs to Valve) for as many games as possible?

I never had the impression that Groupees was some kind of concious DRM-free supporter. It seems to me that it's more about numbers with them and the DRM-free crowd is not considered big enough to cater to it from a financial POV.
I never had impression they were pro steam either. If anything judging from bundles, majority of previous ones were evenly Desura/Steam/drm free spread (aside from one or two dev only bundles)
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Psyringe: Ah, I misunderstood that (sorry).

I agree. My comparison only makes sense when one misunderstands your original statement in the way I did. Now that that's cleared up, I agree that Greenlight is not a proper comparison, for the reasons you stated.

Not many. I think it did happen occasionally, but mostly due to customers bugging the devs or bundle managers.
I suspected that there was a misunderstanding somewher, but no need to apologize :-)

I'm curious as to which bundles got DRM-free installers later on, because I think that Lucius is a first for me - and even that is in a bundle that's still live.
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nijuu: I never had impression they were pro steam either. If anything judging from bundles, majority of previous ones were evenly Desura/Steam/drm free spread (aside from one or two dev only bundles)
Neither had I, but as I said, it looks to me that it's more about cutting down costs than expressing support or preference one way or the other.
Post edited October 29, 2013 by HypersomniacLive
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jamesbuc: Ooh, DRM-Free Lucious. Nice.

Its also worth noting that 'Survivor Squad' just got greenlit, so steam keys will be brought in when it is on steam :)
Might not be able to actually download the DRM-free games though unless they have Steam or Desura keys as Groupees is having hard disk problems as of late and people who have bought their previous bundles are now unable to download games that are hosted on Groupees servers due to unavailability. It might work, but beware that they've got a lot of technical issues happening and seem slow to fix them. Hopefully they'll get it sorted out soon though.
Not sure if mentioned yet, Super Eurobit and the Seventh Enochian Key (Music) is the new bonus goal @ 8,500 bundles sold