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Wishbone: Yes it is. You can't base your business model on statistical flukes with massive corporate backing (in this case Valve).

It's the same reason why everyone else who have tried to copy World of Warcraft have failed miserably.

Small, multiplayer-only indie games die a quick death, unless they're picked up and pushed by a publisher. Fact of life.
I get the first sentence. The second sentence, however, doesn't really apply here. WoW clones actually copy WoW like to a t. They fail because they try to be something that already exists. Games like Dino D-Day are genuinely unique in a few ways in their field. They don't have that "WoW clone" syndrome.

Which brings me to the third sentence. Yes, that is pretty true. But it's usually because they start out as a bit of buggy messes, and people aren't willing to let their pride suffer for it. On top of it, the total initial audience is much smaller.

Bugs + smaller audience = small starting community. Small starting community + normal bleedout rates for non-MMO multiplayer-only games + bleedout rates for games with lots of bugs = quick death. See Gettysburg: Armored Warfare, which after only 3 months on the market is said by the dev to have been entirely ditched by the publisher.

However, I don't see how a 6-8 hour campaign would have alleviated that, either.
Post edited July 18, 2012 by johnki
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Wishbone: Small, multiplayer-only indie games die a quick death, unless they're picked up and pushed by a publisher. Fact of life.
True words. Example:
killing Floor still has many players, probably due to lots of events in cooperation with Steam itself. I don't think it will last much longer now, though.
"Starting at 8:00 GMT Saturday and for 24 hrs. you can Build a Bundle of just 1 game for $1 minimum!"

Just noticed this. People who are only interested in Syberia 2 don't have to include some unwanted games in their bundle tomorrow.
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etna87: "Starting at 8:00 GMT Saturday and for 24 hrs. you can Build a Bundle of just 1 game for $1 minimum!"

Just noticed this. People who are only interested in Syberia 2 don't have to include some unwanted games in their bundle tomorrow.
Isn't the bundle for 3 games though?

And i cant understand how they can make any money from selling so low.
Nice, I'll be able to grab just the Alien Breed I wanted.

And then, I'll need only episode 3.
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etna87: "Starting at 8:00 GMT Saturday and for 24 hrs. you can Build a Bundle of just 1 game for $1 minimum!"

Just noticed this. People who are only interested in Syberia 2 don't have to include some unwanted games in their bundle tomorrow.
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gameon: Isn't the bundle for 3 games though?

And i cant understand how they can make any money from selling so low.
*can't
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Drakhyrr: Nice, I'll be able to grab just the Alien Breed I wanted.

And then, I'll need only episode 3.
I think you still have to pick 3 games from the bundle.

When the bundle was at the pre-order discount of $2, you had to pick 3 games.
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Drakhyrr: Nice, I'll be able to grab just the Alien Breed I wanted.

And then, I'll need only episode 3.
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gameon: I think you still have to pick 3 games from the bundle.

When the bundle was at the pre-order discount of $2, you had to pick 3 games.
No, not tomorrow. "Starting at 8:00 GMT Saturday and for 24 hrs. you can Build a Bundle of just 1 game for $1 minimum!"

I don't think they can be any clearer than that.
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gameon: I think you still have to pick 3 games from the bundle.

When the bundle was at the pre-order discount of $2, you had to pick 3 games.
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Drakhyrr: No, not tomorrow. "Starting at 8:00 GMT Saturday and for 24 hrs. you can Build a Bundle of just 1 game for $1 minimum!"

I don't think they can be any clearer than that.
Lol, you're right. I didn't read the 1 game part.
No idea if this was already addressed in another thread, but I just noticed that four new games have been added to the initial choice of Build A Bundle 2:

- Deadly 30 (PC, Mac, Linux, Desura & DRM-free)
- Metal Dead (PC Desura & DRM-free)
- The Abbey (PC DRM-free)
- Shadows of the Vatican (PC DRM-free)

I already got the bundle but I'd be interested in adding The Abbey to my games. I guess that means buying the bundle another time? Or is there any other way?

Also, a word of warning, Shadows of the Vatican seems to be a four part series with only part 1 being released so far. On the Groupees' page there's no indication that this isn't the full game but in all probability it's just "Act I: Greed", of which Adventure Gamer says it "serves mainly as a prelude to the real deal, saving the action for the sequels. "
Post edited July 30, 2012 by Leroux
Yes, it just the first episode of Shadows of the Vatican.

Deadly 30 and The Abbye (aka Murder in the Abbey) seem to have some mixed reviews.

Metal Dead is awesome, and I know this from personal experience.
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Leroux: - The Abbey (PC DRM-free)
Wasn't "The Abbey" one of the games that got discussed during the winter sales, which has a vastly superior special edition, and a broken regular edition that isn't recommended? i can't see any indication on which version is being sold here ... judging from the general unimpressiveness of this bundle, I'd assume it's the regular one?
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Leroux: - The Abbey (PC DRM-free)
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Psyringe: Wasn't "The Abbey" one of the games that got discussed during the winter sales, which has a vastly superior special edition, and a broken regular edition that isn't recommended? i can't see any indication on which version is being sold here ... judging from the general unimpressiveness of this bundle, I'd assume it's the regular one?
Hm, apparently there's a Director's Cut version out there, and since it's not mentioned on the Groupees site I'd assume that this one is the regular version. Argh, that sucks. Good thing I'm such a miser. :P

It's a questionable decision on the part of the developers (to say the least) to include an inferior and supposedly very buggy version of their game in a bundle. I read mixed reviews about the game anyway, so it should be in their own interest to present the most attractive and best working version out there.
Last time I checked the diretors cut of The Abby was only available on the developers webpage - gamersgate and dotemu have the regular version. In the case of dotemu it's maybe because of multilingual support and regarding gamersgate it seems to me they forget their older adenture games (especially to reduce the price). Which version from groupees you get I don't know. The best way would be mailing them, but very likely they also don't know and need to ask Alcachofa first. Maybe you want ask them directly: http://www.alcachofasoft.com/contacto.htm
Here's a list of changes included in the "Director's Cut" edition. I remember reading that back in December, it made me not wanting to bother with the regular edition. Pity that the Director's Cut isn't available at the shops I'm buying at, but I can wait. :)