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Poster before me said about re-using assets.. In some adventure game called lost horizon, you got some extra that which basically was a draft which used models from secret files 2.. I though.. "this is awesome" but it wasn't it wasn't the entire game so, all we have are the modders.

What we were talking about?

Oh yeah. Sacrifice rulez!
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djranis: totally agree with the op, getting sick of looking for increase requirments
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scampywiak: I have a 3 yr old PC with an $80 graphics card. Haven't had to upgrade once and I can still play modern titles at better res than any console. So I'm not really buying the frequent upgrade argument.
Agreed, my old computer lasted me 5 years with only one graphics card upgrade, it still plays all the new games with medium to high settings. I only got rid of it because I wanted something completely new and could give it to my nephew as a Christmas present.

I find the whole constant upgrade argument comes from three types;
1.Those who buy the absolute minimum, which of course doesn't last long and requires constant upgrades if they want to play the next new game at medium to high settings.
2.Those who need to have top end everything in which case it's not games that drive their need to upgrade.
3.Those who aren't too savvy and end up making poorly chosen upgrades resulting in bottlenecks that has them looking for upgrades again soon after.

I actually end up buying peripherals like new keyboards, mice and monitors a whole lot more than I buy anything to upgrade the computers performance.
I do think that GPU companies understand this to an extent. That is why we are seeing a more elaborate focus on SOC designs that offer more performance per watt. What they are working towards is not to push the envelope for graphics to bizarre extremes but more so towards getting something like l crysis up and running on a smartphone or a tablet.....
Post edited January 19, 2013 by Lionel212008
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Cormoran: 2.Those who need to have top end everything in which case it's not games that drive their need to upgrade
A ton of people see highest settings as the "real game" and accept nothing less. I know a few who were like that and switched to consoles as a result. They know the console version is generally low settings, but they cannot deal with playing at anything but high on PC.
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Cormoran: 2.Those who need to have top end everything in which case it's not games that drive their need to upgrade
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StingingVelvet: A ton of people see highest settings as the "real game" and accept nothing less. I know a few who were like that and switched to consoles as a result. They know the console version is generally low settings, but they cannot deal with playing at anything but high on PC.
All depends a lot what size monitor person is using. Far cry 3 doesn't really need so hellishly lot. I mean I've been using same phenom 1 quad thing for years and it runs fine.. Well I have radeon 6850.. or what they nowadays call it.. amd HD radeon? And that too is some years old and faulty have to down clock a bit.. anyway Far cry 3 seems to run better in DX11 mode than Far Cry 2 ever did.. Also the second one crashed all the time if used DX11.

In Far 3 it was good to see that there was some kind of fov slider without looking some guides to tweak ini. That's awesome.

Edit: or was it DX10 in FC 2.. anyway doesn't matter a lot.
Post edited January 20, 2013 by Antimateria
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Antimateria: In Far 3 it was good to see that there was some kind of fov slider without looking some guides to tweak ini. That's awesome.
Yeah, you can tell it was developed for 75 though, anything above that starts to show fisheye. Not as bad as Skyrim, but noticeable.
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Antimateria: In Far 3 it was good to see that there was some kind of fov slider without looking some guides to tweak ini. That's awesome.
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StingingVelvet: Yeah, you can tell it was developed for 75 though, anything above that starts to show fisheye. Not as bad as Skyrim, but noticeable.
Fisheye.. I didn't see it really much. Skyrim it was (I mean still, still palying that, it's so long) bad.
I'm playing far 3 with hard and all the help things off.. some how it still seems to put those some on eventhough I have many times said that no, I need to do this myself.

That's some awesome game, this morning i found a poker place and lost my pants.. Well, almost if it was possible.
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Antimateria: Fisheye.. I didn't see it really much.
A lot of people don't. Some people play these games at FOVs of like 110. To me that looks literally like a fishbowl is over my head, but to some it looks normal.

I kind of wish I didn't notice it because I would prefer a larger FOV.
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Cormoran: 2.Those who need to have top end everything in which case it's not games that drive their need to upgrade
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StingingVelvet: A ton of people see highest settings as the "real game" and accept nothing less. I know a few who were like that and switched to consoles as a result. They know the console version is generally low settings, but they cannot deal with playing at anything but high on PC.
What a sad, weird disservice to the self. People reason in some strange directions, but the route one takes to get there would probably make for a good racing track in Mario Kart.
Post edited January 20, 2013 by gooberking
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Antimateria: Fisheye.. I didn't see it really much.
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StingingVelvet: A lot of people don't. Some people play these games at FOVs of like 110. To me that looks literally like a fishbowl is over my head, but to some it looks normal.

I kind of wish I didn't notice it because I would prefer a larger FOV.
In skyrim 110 is really too much.. Those arms are so stretched and it isn't fun anymore. Infact in Far 3 110 is also max in that slider but it doesn't affect your hands much.. it's just a bit wider nature. but I use 85-90 in that.. 85 in skyrim.. if I remember.

In some games I really am happy that I'm not playing with a console. I played Mass effect 2 again with fov corrections it was mass (much) enjoyable game).

But mostly in some first person game the fov is originally just too low. It is horrible. Well I played dishonored basically with default fov but man even that sneaking is better in Far 3.
A lot of times its more how the game was programmed that makes it look good, and the hardware isn't quite as important. I've recently started playing skyrim again (since the DLCs were 50% off around Christmas and I got them) and with a couple of mods (ENB mods are fantastic) and no hardware change, its astounding how much the graphics were improved just by a mod.
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ycl260779: A lot of times its more how the game was programmed that makes it look good, and the hardware isn't quite as important. I've recently started playing skyrim again (since the DLCs were 50% off around Christmas and I got them) and with a couple of mods (ENB mods are fantastic) and no hardware change, its astounding how much the graphics were improved just by a mod.
Infact I'm impressed that the gameplay with mods is made so much better. I mean mods, which makes many sense (I know)..

What the hell I was talking about.. Oh right.

I think that betsheda made inferior product which modders once again made a good game.

Edit1: So they just made a platform where modders could function, but it was a ggood thing that gave tools.. Also where are my tools. "what do you mean this is wrench?"

Edit2: also if some haven't read i'm a bit drinkin now, so get over it and don't tackle with insif.. insiccance.. well those words. ^^
Post edited January 20, 2013 by Antimateria
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Antimateria: Infact I'm impressed that the gameplay with mods is made so much better. I mean mods, which makes many sense (I know)..

What the hell I was talking about.. Oh right.

I think that betsheda made inferior product which modders once again made a good game.

Edit1: So they just made a platform where modders could function, but it was a ggood thing that gave tools.. Also where are my tools. "what do you mean this is wrench?"
Bethesda games tend to be like that. They make the world, and modders improve on it by leaps and bounds. I'll never cease to be amazed at how much effort modders put into games when they basically get nothing - no money, nothing but the satisfaction that they created something to suit their (or the community's) needs better.


Edit: The graphical improvements by the ENB mods and other mods are frickin ridiculous. I find it hard to believe this was the same game I played a year ago. I spent over an hour just wandering around staring at the changes the modders made. I might even create a new character to replay the game just because of this.
Post edited January 20, 2013 by ycl260779
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scampywiak: I have a 3 yr old PC with an $80 graphics card. Haven't had to upgrade once and I can still play modern titles at better res than any console. So I'm not really buying the frequent upgrade argument.
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jefequeso: $80 graphics card?

What card?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127383
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Antimateria: Infact I'm impressed that the gameplay with mods is made so much better. I mean mods, which makes many sense (I know)..

What the hell I was talking about.. Oh right.

I think that betsheda made inferior product which modders once again made a good game.

Edit1: So they just made a platform where modders could function, but it was a ggood thing that gave tools.. Also where are my tools. "what do you mean this is wrench?"
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ycl260779: Bethesda games tend to be like that. They make the world, and modders improve on it by leaps and bounds. I'll never cease to be amazed at how much effort modders put into games when they basically get nothing - no money, nothing but the satisfaction that they created something to suit their (or the community's) needs better.
Yeah it was the same with Oblivion.
Modders made that swinging sword or archery possible in Skyrim and afterwards they made a patch.. Same code propably. Anyway it is a good thing that we get open worlds where we are not stuck to do certain stuff alone but you know.. I'be been waiting for years that wghat happened to fishing.. In Skyrim in those shallow waters you fucking swim and take those sweet sweet fishes your self, by hand.. Why won't nobody make fishing in those. Nest thing ever was Zelda, Ocarina you know what.

Edit1: I meant when mounted on a horse
Post edited January 20, 2013 by Antimateria