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I'm a huge fan of this site. Spotify has motivated me to pay for music again, and you've motivated me to pay for games.

Since I switched to Linux however, my interest in your site has fallen. I don't miss Windows one bit, but I do miss my games. Despite the Wine emulator's good renown, it never seems to be able to run the games *I* want it to.

So, why not go cross-platform? The Mac has a few classic games for it, and Linux games are on the rise. Soon enough there will be Linux games which could pass as 'old'. Many older games are written for OpenGl and could probably be ported cross-platform with a bit of work.

I'm sure the gog folks would come up with a genious way to distribute games for Linux. An APT repository with ready-made packages? I've never owned one, but I suspect console games are hard to sell over the Internet(s).

I think it would be swell if gog.com also had games for other platforms than MS Win! Do any of you feel like me?
Post edited January 06, 2011 by Hajen
Problems with this:

Many of the licensing agreements are likely Windows-only
The reason Steam and GamersGate have been doing Windows/Mac is that the publishers/devs HAVE Mac versions
Your "bit of work" is probably a crapton of effort on behalf of the poor coders who get stuck working on it
More importantly, GoG doesn't have the rights to actually modify the games for the most part

So that leaves using an "emulator" like WINE. Problem there is: They would need to distribute that, and deal with a whole 'nother set of problems tech-support wise.
The DOSBox and ScummVM games shouldn't be too hard to set up in the Linux version of either application. You'll still have to use Wine to extract the game files (by running the installer) though.

Many of the licensing agreements are likely Windows-only
Licenses can be revised. If Gog.com can make publishers sell games for 5.99, I'm sure they can make them sell games for non-Windows systems.

The reason Steam and GamersGate have been doing Windows/Mac is that the publishers/devs HAVE Mac versions
Yes. But why is this a problem?

Your "bit of work" is probably a crapton of effort on behalf of the poor coders who get stuck working on it
It might be in some cases. It is done quite often though, by enthusiasts who don't mind "being stuck working".

More importantly, GoG doesn't have the rights to actually modify the games for the most part
I'm sure these rights could be obtained as part of some business agreement. Some old games are also released as open-source, and I suspect this will become more common in the future.

So that leaves using an "emulator" like WINE. Problem there is: They would need to distribute that, and deal with a whole 'nother set of problems tech-support wise.
Yes, that is true. I've learned that running Windows is seldom problem-free in itself. Now, by contrast with most games older than a few years, Wine is under continuous maintenance. Gog.com could tie into that development and take an active role. It would probably suffice to test games on the recent Ubuntu, and guarantee that function.

Neither is selling tech-support a particularily new idea.

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The DOSBox and ScummVM games shouldn't be too hard to set up in the Linux version of either application.
I do use them and enjoy them very much.
Simply put there's not enough of a market. Add in the extra cost for supporting Mac/Linux and only someone with the business IQ of a common garden slug would think it's a good idea to try and successfully run a Linux version of GOG.
There is a "games that work on linux" GOGmix which should help you pick what works and what does not.
For the moment my major annoyance with the current way that the games are being served is that there are ridiculous installation steps if you want to install them in linux/any other non windows os. Why in heavens name do I have to install scummvm/dosbox in wine instead of just downloading the data files and running the emulators natively?
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Sielle: Simply put there's not enough of a market. Add in the extra cost for supporting Mac/Linux and only someone with the business IQ of a common garden slug would think it's a good idea to try and successfully run a Linux version of GOG.
I buy games here and I use Linux. I run them through wine. Right now I am playing Psychonaughts and I haven't had one problem yet. I am about to get a copy of Icewind dale next. My question is why insult people who use Linux Sielle. Is your IQ the same as a common garden slug?
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booger: I buy games here and I use Linux. I run them through wine. Right now I am playing Psychonaughts and I haven't had one problem yet. I am about to get a copy of Icewind dale next. My question is why insult people who use Linux Sielle. Is your IQ the same as a common garden slug?
He wasn't insulting people who run linux, nor insulting people who tries to run GOG games on Linux. Who he insulted was those who think it's financially viable to offer official support for these games in a Linux environment.

The games are packaged as they are because it makes it extremely easy to install and run them in GOG's target environment; Windows XP and above (although, admittedly, some people still have troubles double-clicking the installer and finding the newly-installed game in the start menu, as evident by a couple threads). To offer extra zip files for the non-Windows or older-Windows users would be to imply support for those systems, and thus multiply the support workload several times with questions they aren't equipped to handle.
Post edited January 09, 2011 by Miaghstir
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Hajen: I'm a huge fan of this site. Spotify has motivated me to pay for music again, and you've motivated me to pay for games.

Since I switched to Ubuntu however, my interest in your site has fallen because I registered to Ubuntu forums. I don't miss Windows one bit, because the Ubuntu forums people told me not to, but I do miss my games. Wine doesn't run anything because Ubuntu only supplies an old version.

So, why not go cross-platform? The Mac has a few classic games for it, and Linux games aren't on the rise whatsoever. Soon enough there will be Linux games which could pass as 'old'. Many older games are written for DirectX 7 and could never be ported to Linux.

I'm sure the gog folks would come up with a genius way to distribute games for Linux. An installer for Ubuntu users? I've never owned one, but I suspect console games are hard to sell over the Internet(s).

I think it would be swell if gog.com also had games for other platforms than MS Win! Do any of you feel like me?
fixed.
Post edited January 09, 2011 by TheJoe
GOG likes to have a guarantee that all games work on a certain list of operating systems. For example, all games must work on XP and Vista (I think) to pass QA, and they're busy working on adding Windows 7 assurance to the catalogue. It's very sensible to keep the list of officially supported OSes as small as possible, but it would be nice if they also had some YMMV support for other systems too.

The simplest way to do this would be to make the installers proper SFX archives instead of the pure exes that they have now. That way people using non-Windows could manually install games if they wanted to (for the Dosbox games a manual install would amount to a single drag-and-drop).
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Sielle: Simply put there's not enough of a market. Add in the extra cost for supporting Mac/Linux and only someone with the business IQ of a common garden slug would think it's a good idea to try and successfully run a Linux version of GOG.
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booger: I buy games here and I use Linux. I run them through wine. Right now I am playing Psychonaughts and I haven't had one problem yet. I am about to get a copy of Icewind dale next. My question is why insult people who use Linux Sielle. Is your IQ the same as a common garden slug?
I'm not insulting people that "use" Linux, I'm insulting those that think it's a wise business decision to try and support a niche of a niche market that's already fairly small to begin with.

Yes some of the games do work on Linux, there's multiple threads on the forums explaining which ones do and what needs to be done by the user to get them to work. Yet this apparently isn't good enough for some people. Some people such as yourself seem to think that just because you want a simple install package for Linux or Mac that the ROI for GOG to make them must be sky high and well worth the additional cost of not only making the package, but supporting, storing, and distributing it.

What you're asking for just doesn't make financial sense. And you'd realize that if stopped and through about it for half a moment without your blind dislike of windows. (Which contrary to what you say, you must miss part of it, or you wouldn't be trying to get windows applications supported in Linux)
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Sielle: I'm not insulting people that "use" Linux, I'm insulting those that think it's a wise business decision to try and support a niche of a niche market that's already fairly small to begin with.
Sorry we don't live up to your high expectations; we try as hard as we can but we are only garden slugs after all.

Yes some of the games do work on Linux, there's multiple threads on the forums explaining which ones do and what needs to be done by the user to get them to work. Yet this apparently isn't good enough for some people. Some people such as yourself seem to think that just because you want a simple install package for Linux or Mac that the ROI for GOG to make them must be sky high and well worth the additional cost of not only making the package, but supporting, storing, and distributing it.
Yes, that's exactly what I think. Move to the front of the class.

What you're asking for just doesn't make financial sense. And you'd realize that if stopped and through about it for half a moment without your blind dislike of windows. (Which contrary to what you say, you must miss part of it, or you wouldn't be trying to get windows applications supported in Linux)
Please do not tell me what I like or don't like.

I made a perfectly harmless suggestion, and you responded by insulting my intelligence. This did not strengthen your argument at all, and overall only made you look like a fool yourself.
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booger: I buy games here and I use Linux. I run them through wine. Right now I am playing Psychonaughts and I haven't had one problem yet. I am about to get a copy of Icewind dale next. My question is why insult people who use Linux Sielle. Is your IQ the same as a common garden slug?
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Sielle: I'm not insulting people that "use" Linux, I'm insulting those that think it's a wise business decision to try and support a niche of a niche market that's already fairly small to begin with.

Yes some of the games do work on Linux, there's multiple threads on the forums explaining which ones do and what needs to be done by the user to get them to work. Yet this apparently isn't good enough for some people. Some people such as yourself seem to think that just because you want a simple install package for Linux or Mac that the ROI for GOG to make them must be sky high and well worth the additional cost of not only making the package, but supporting, storing, and distributing it.

What you're asking for just doesn't make financial sense. And you'd realize that if stopped and through about it for half a moment without your blind dislike of windows. (Which contrary to what you say, you must miss part of it, or you wouldn't be trying to get windows applications supported in Linux)
I never said I disliked windows at all. It is not my favorit operating system but I do have a laptop that runs 7. I just prefer Linux to Windows. My desktop is much more powerfull then my laptop so I run Dragon Age and other games on it is my main gaming machine The only thing that I have mentioned that would be nice is if they added in where it talks about the operating system on requirments if the game was wine compatible but I am not asking for a seperate installer. So why do you say I have a blind dislike for windows? Do you have a blind dislike for linux?
*snif snif*

I smell smoke. Am I too late for the flaming?

I can certainly understand GoG not having the resources to convert everything to run on other operating systems. It's probably not the best business decision unless it can be proven that enough gamers want to play these old games on Linux or Ubuntu or Penguinthingy or whatever these other operating systems are. However, assuming it's legal to do so (I am pretty fuzzy on legality, my knowledge of copyright restrictions chiefly extends to 'don't pirate our games') I don't see why GoG couldn't eventually make sure their installers are Wine-friendly. It would simply be a matter of generating enough interest.

If you're serious about this, you should attempt to contact GoG and do your own research about possible legal issues, and then present a clearly thought out petition that details possible problems and ways of surmounting these difficulties. Then have people append their signatures as support. If enough want it, and a list of games that DON'T work can be compiled, eventually you might meet your goals.

On a side note, insulting someone's choice of operating system or desire to have working games for it is just silly. All that means is they want the games as much as you do, and are willing to pay to get them instead of pirating them. We're all on the same side here, after all.