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s60416: Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game...Just don't buy it if you don't like it. Imagine if I had the restaurants remove your favorite dish from the menu because I'm allergic to it. it's just not right, also the "offensive" content in the game had already been removed 2 years ago...what exactly offend you guys now?
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949801422: Chinese players are indeed extremely offended by this game. But as far as I know, the government may ask them to remove the game, but it has not asked them to remove the game worldwide. This is a unilateral action taken by Steam and GOG in order to ensure their interests.
I think so, too. This looks like preemptive obedience by GOG. It looks like they didn't know what the game was when they cleared it for launch in the store, later discovered the controversy and did the last minute pull to display preemptive obedience to everyone in mainland China who remembers the controversy. It's true that Xi Jinping doesn't get much love outside of mainland China but insults are not constructive criticism. I'd say Chinese players have a right to be offended. Especially if they and their families have personally benefitted from Xi Jinping's policy of ending poverty for millions of people. On the other hand, the offensive content was removed from the game. Are there no second chances in Chinese culture?
Post edited December 18, 2020 by TencentInvestor
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949801422: Chinese players are indeed extremely offended by this game. But as far as I know, the government may ask them to remove the game, but it has not asked them to remove the game worldwide. This is a unilateral action taken by Steam and GOG in order to ensure their interests.
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TencentInvestor: I think so, too. This looks like preemptive obedience by GOG. It looks like they didn't know what the game was when they cleared it for launch in the store, later discovered the controversy and did the last minute pull to display preemptive obedience to everyone in mainland China who remembers the controversy. It's true that Xi Jinping doesn't get much love outside of mainland China but insults are not constructive criticism. I'd say Chinese players have a right to be offended. Especially if they and their families have personally benefitted from Xi Jinping's policy of ending poverty for millions of people. On the other hand, the offensive content was removed from the game. Are there no second chances in Chinese culture?
Post edited January 01, 2021 by 76561198099998408

Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game...Just don't buy it if you don't like it. Imagine if I had the restaurants remove your favorite dish from the menu because I'm allergic to it. it's just not right, also the "offensive" content in the game had already been removed 2 years ago...what exactly offend you guys now?
You just described western corporate censorship. Everything that offends "protected groups" (which aren't children or people with severe disabilities but teenagers or adults that are often strong and healthy, just have mentality of a 10yo crybaby) is instantly gagged. And now there's "cancel culture" where those corps allow crowds to roam free attacking some person they don't agree with even if it really violates the law in pretty much 90% of the world.
Of course there will be kids that saying "it's not censorship because those are private entities". Lawyers they ain't. A private company is a subject of the law. Same as any citizen. They must abide it. But when it comes to *some* people law becomes a soft rubber stick - they can twist and bend it the way they like.

Also when it comes tho corporate censorship and woke crowds - tha's worse than govt censorship. Because when something is a law everything is clear - you can't insult goverment, you can't display Nazi stuff in media etc-etc. Crystal clear. Good it or bad but dura lex sed lex. Unlike corporate stuff where they just gag you without even explaining what you said wrong. There are multiple cases when people got their channels or accounts deleted without explanations and those people didn't violate any laws not even rules listed in ToS.

Now back to companies and what players want. Players want games *they* like. Companies want to make money (what a surprise, a company that exists to make money wants to make money...) Which means that they have to again abide the law of the countries where they operate. Sure laws can be different. Thats why some games aren't released in some regions or getting censored. You live in the country where something is being censored and you don't like it. Here's the real life game for you then - go to the university, get good education, get into local govenment, climb to the top - get into country's goverment and propose the change. Brutal difficulty for sure but real rewards. Until then well... money talks.
That's how adult world works.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by Thunderbringer
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949801422: Some foreigners may have misunderstandings about China. In China, the Taiwan issue is very acute. The vast majority of people support the Communist Party, because the Communist Party has made progress in China in the past 20 years,many people have better livesm.
The Chinese are not nationalists. The World War made the Chinese oppose fascism. At first, the Chinese did not dislike Taiwan, but the Taiwanese always used their nationality to insult and laugh at mainlanders. Make the Chinese extremely disgusted with Taiwan
The real situation: Dedication is very popular in China. At first, many Chinese players called it the pride of Chinese games and bought this game, but after discovering offensive content, everyone felt deceived and insulted.
You being offended by an Earlier version of the game because it made fun of your leader is already weird for Western standards (making fun of politicians is a healthy thing in true democracies, you know, places where there isn't a dictator for life that can't be mocked), but ok, we could understand a ban of the game in your country (it would still be weird, I mean, if you don't like a game just vote with your wallet, leave your 1 star rating and comment and let others decide for themselves what to do).

Now, the moment Chinese inner politics starts affecting everyone else rights to purchase a product we have a problem and you no longer have my sympathies regardless of me trying to understand your cultural background. In other words, this actually hurts the Chinese image outside. You're not even a US-like superpower with troops in every continent and you're already dictating what I can and can't buy - this is not good and we will resist it.
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TencentInvestor: I think so, too. This looks like preemptive obedience by GOG. It looks like they didn't know what the game was when they cleared it for launch in the store, later discovered the controversy and did the last minute pull to display preemptive obedience to everyone in mainland China who remembers the controversy. It's true that Xi Jinping doesn't get much love outside of mainland China but insults are not constructive criticism. I'd say Chinese players have a right to be offended. Especially if they and their families have personally benefitted from Xi Jinping's policy of ending poverty for millions of people. On the other hand, the offensive content was removed from the game. Are there no second chances in Chinese culture?
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949801422: Some foreigners may have misunderstandings about China. In China, the Taiwan issue is very acute. The vast majority of people support the Communist Party, because the Communist Party has made progress in China in the past 20 years,many people have better livesm.
The Chinese are not nationalists. The World War made the Chinese oppose fascism. At first, the Chinese did not dislike Taiwan, but the Taiwanese always used their nationality to insult and laugh at mainlanders. Make the Chinese extremely disgusted with Taiwan
The real situation: Dedication is very popular in China. At first, many Chinese players called it the pride of Chinese games and bought this game, but after discovering offensive content, everyone felt deceived and insulted.
I understand your position. A lot of progress was achieved under the CCP's leadership. This is true.
And no insult will change the facts. Why can't you forgive RedCandleGames after their apology?
What would you need to move on and forgive them? When everyone gets along, mainland and Taiwan, there will be one China.
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DrFr: Longtime user (to respond in advance to the Commie plants who question all new users): I am done with GOG over the censorship of the Taiwanese publisher. I have purchased dozens of games from GOG - no more. You'd think a Polish company like GOG that endured the ravagers of communism would have the backbone and decency to stand up to Beijing.

A sad day for intellectual freedom, GOG.
Haha you think gog is bad for censorshi0 go try steam, They would of 100 percent banned you for this post, and the whole topic. If you kept posting on different parts of steam, not only would they fourm ban you, they would block you from multiplayer.
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949801422: Some foreigners may have misunderstandings about China. In China, the Taiwan issue is very acute. The vast majority of people support the Communist Party, because the Communist Party has made progress in China in the past 20 years,many people have better livesm.
The Chinese are not nationalists. The World War made the Chinese oppose fascism. At first, the Chinese did not dislike Taiwan, but the Taiwanese always used their nationality to insult and laugh at mainlanders. Make the Chinese extremely disgusted with Taiwan
The real situation: Dedication is very popular in China. At first, many Chinese players called it the pride of Chinese games and bought this game, but after discovering offensive content, everyone felt deceived and insulted.
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RafaelRamus: You being offended by an Earlier version of the game because it made fun of your leader is already weird for Western standards (making fun of politicians is a healthy thing in true democracies, you know, places where there isn't a dictator for life that can't be mocked), but ok, we could understand a ban of the game in your country (it would still be weird, I mean, if you don't like a game just vote with your wallet, leave your 1 star rating and comment and let others decide for themselves what to do).

Now, the moment Chinese inner politics starts affecting everyone else rights to purchase a product we have a problem and you no longer have my sympathies regardless of me trying to understand your cultural background. In other words, this actually hurts the Chinese image outside. You're not even a US-like superpower with troops in every continent and you're already dictating what I can and can't buy - this is not good and we will resist it.
Post edited January 01, 2021 by 76561198099998408
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laser_eyes: Ok, Mr Purity, turn your computer off now and never turn it on again. Of course that means that you can never play a PC game again, but that's your standard. Microsoft does a lot of business in China and llike every company that does business here they obey the orders of the government. So follow your standard. Turn off your computer and never turn it on again. You want to boycott companies that do business in China. Then you can't use Windows. No more PC games for you.
Maybe he's using Linux?
You can play games without Microsoft's involvement.

Some foreigners may have misunderstandings about China. In China, the Taiwan issue is very acute. The vast majority of people support the Communist Party, because the Communist Party has made progress in China in the past 20 years,many people have better livesm.
Most people nowadays, especially young ones be like "MY WAY OR NO WAY" especially in the West. They don't even realize that different cultures do exist. that Asia is different in many ways from the West. It's not bad or good, it is what it is.

And western way while works in western countries, better in one place, worse in the others, we all know what a failure it was when they tried to install it in the Middle East. Because people there are nothing like westerners.

Also i really like how the notion of democracy changed in some countries from "majority decides, minority obeys but they have right to make more people to take their side when the next time to vote comes" to "a vocal part of a small minority dictates everyone how to live and think". It will take some time to realize that their way can be better... for them, but not for the others.

The Chinese are not nationalists. The World War made the Chinese oppose fascism.
From my experience a lot of people nowadays knows just a few things about WW2, they don't know that China lost 20+ millions in that war, mostly civilians. That Japan was the same as nazi Germany, just worse because Germans were doing for about 6 years, Japan was doing it to China and Korea (mostly but not only) for many years.
I've even heard some people having the audacity of saying that Axis countries had greater losses than Allied. Sure. 4% is greater than 60... And that's not counting military losses. If we'll count those it will be more than double numbers of losses for Allies vs Axis.

The real situation: Dedication is very popular in China. At first, many Chinese players called it the pride of Chinese games and bought this game, but after discovering offensive content, everyone felt deceived and insulted.
If "protected categories" in the West can demand change or removal of something when theres something *some* of them finds offensive, i guess people from China have the same right. Especially when something is *really* offensive and just tasteless.
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949801422: Some foreigners may have misunderstandings about China. In China, the Taiwan issue is very acute. The vast majority of people support the Communist Party, because the Communist Party has made progress in China in the past 20 years,many people have better livesm.
The Chinese are not nationalists. The World War made the Chinese oppose fascism. At first, the Chinese did not dislike Taiwan, but the Taiwanese always used their nationality to insult and laugh at mainlanders. Make the Chinese extremely disgusted with Taiwan
The real situation: Dedication is very popular in China. At first, many Chinese players called it the pride of Chinese games and bought this game, but after discovering offensive content, everyone felt deceived and insulted.
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TencentInvestor: I understand your position. A lot of progress was achieved under the CCP's leadership. This is true.
And no insult will change the facts. Why can't you forgive RedCandleGames after their apology?
What would you need to move on and forgive them? When everyone gets along, mainland and Taiwan, there will be one China.
Post edited January 01, 2021 by 76561198099998408
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laser_eyes: Ok, Mr Purity, turn your computer off now and never turn it on again. Of course that means that you can never play a PC game again, but that's your standard. Microsoft does a lot of business in China and llike every company that does business here they obey the orders of the government. So follow your standard. Turn off your computer and never turn it on again. You want to boycott companies that do business in China. Then you can't use Windows. No more PC games for you.
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PixelBoy: Maybe he's using Linux?
You can play games without Microsoft's involvement.
actually he is using galaxy as you can see from his profile...........
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PixelBoy: Maybe he's using Linux?
You can play games without Microsoft's involvement.
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alexandros050: actually he is using galaxy as you can see from his profile...........
This is so off the point it is mind boggling. I, for instance, still use my old Win7 computer (somewhat upgraded, but still) and I refused to upgrade to Win10. I use a very old version of MS Office and LibreBR instead of the new stuff. I did buy a Linux computer since then to learn the stuff.

I buy my games here at GOG, but I still own some games there at Steam. If I decide to never buy another game here in this platform I'll still have 600+ games I bought here. This is not the sort of stuff you can do in one day.
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alexandros050: actually he is using galaxy as you can see from his profile...........
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RafaelRamus: This is so off the point it is mind boggling. I, for instance, still use my old Win7 computer (somewhat upgraded, but still) and I refused to upgrade to Win10. I use a very old version of MS Office and LibreBR instead of the new stuff. I did buy a Linux computer since then to learn the stuff.

I buy my games here at GOG, but I still own some games there at Steam. If I decide to never buy another game here in this platform I'll still have 600+ games I bought here. This is not the sort of stuff you can do in one day.
I deleted all my steam stuff in one day and went to this with not many games. I agree with you on linux though, I tried that, and it tkaes way more then 1 day. I tried for 3 days and realized I would be spending more time messing with files than playing games and went back to windows and gog galaxy, which i like alot, gog galaxy not windows. I hate windows 10, but I do like that my new hardware works. I do miss windows 7 alot.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by Makasouls
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TencentInvestor: I understand your position. A lot of progress was achieved under the CCP's leadership. This is true.
And no insult will change the facts. Why can't you forgive RedCandleGames after their apology?
What would you need to move on and forgive them? When everyone gets along, mainland and Taiwan, there will be one China.
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949801422: most Chinese want to unite with Taiwanese, but the governments on both sides are attacking each other. Unfortunately, this is not a problem with video games, and an ordinary person cannot change it.
Taiwan is an independent sovereign nation. Only China refuses to recognize this fact.
Taiwanese enjoy and prosper with democracy and have no interest in living under communism.
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949801422: an ordinary person cannot change it.
I'm sorry you live in a country where an ordinary person is a powerless tool.