I would say stay and contribute where you can. This was supposed to be a 13-person game, then one dropped out and Dedo had to adjust things. He's also had to mod kill Koba without having a replacement. It would be worse for whichever team you are on - Town or Mafia - to completely loose a person. If Koba and yourself are both Town-aligned, dropping out could potentially completely cripple the Town side.


I initially suspected you on Day 1 because you wanted to wagon Joe, which would take me out also. In hindsight, I considered the idea that you and Joe were both mafia. In this scenario, you would already know that Joe was mafia with the Lovers role. I'm assuming that mafia all know who each other are and their roles at the game start. However Mafia Lift may or may not know who Mafia Joe is paired off with, but that really doesn't matter. Your comment about wanting to wagon Joe could have been to flush out his Town lover (me) and hopefully cause a role reveal that would cause the town to develop an aversion towards lynching Joe.

Alternately, you're just really good at reading Joe and figured out that he might be mafia even before roles became known.

The presence of Masons in the game is one of the reasons I suspect Joe. Town/Town Lovers without night communication and without confirmation of alignment are extremely underpowered to a pair of Masons, especially in the same game. There's also the fact that after our roles were revealed, I could only describe his behavior as wacky.


I am recognizing that Joe and I could be mixed Mafia/Town.


Scene also switched his vote to yourself after Frost reached six votes. I think his goal all along was to throw Frost under the bus, then change his vote at the last minute to cause a no lynch.

Day 2 - pick someone else then repeat.


I think you and I need to agree that we're finding ourselves paired off with people that have given us problems based on their behavior. Although I would say that Frost has been more problematic just for wanting to lynch based on "the mafia will kill them anyway."

Despite how some of my posts read, I still am more inclined to lynch Joe (and take myself out) than Frost at this time. You are the only thing that gives him the benefit of the doubt. You just need to be prepared for the possible fallout that will happen if Lovers are lynched and Joe turns out to be Town.

However I really am digressing far too much.
We really need to get back on topic of deciding who to lynch next.


Another difference is that the Lovers had night movement. They decided each night as to who's house they went to each night to hook up. This meant that if the mafia shows up to LoverA's house but they were at LoverB's house that night, the mafia would miss killing them. Likewise if the mafia shows up to the correct house, the mafia would get them both at once. This made the role something different than a weaker version of Masons.


Note - I'm going to be going offline maybe in another hour or so. I absolutely must go to Costco with the family. If I don't go, the only food items that will be brought back really will be on the level of candy, candy canes, candy corn, and syrup.

Interesting! Either:

1. The no-kill was due to successful protection = CatV is town, therefore telling the truth about role. Mafia wouldn't have attempted to kill CatV if Joe was also mafia, which would clear both lovers.

2. The no-kill was due to Dedo skipping the mafia's night kill due to the mod-kill the previous day. I still find it really interesting this was Frost's first thought.

3. The no-kill was the mafia voluntarily skipping the kill to either mess with us or as a mercy (assuming DK was town here).

Yes. As long as you're both claiming to know for sure that the other one is town then your alignments are tied together. The thing is, you aren't close to being townie enough to make up for how scummy Frost looks. You'd look townie in isolation, but I'm sorry to say Frost drags you back down to the middle. Nothing you have done totally precludes you being mafia.

Still on mobile, so without quotes

@dedo: I'll stick around and try my best. No need to put the game on hold.

@Vitek: I think we can exclude 3. Scum play the game to win, just like all of us.

@all: upon rethinking: actually, if the Masons are real, Town Town lovers are possible as a balance. A town town lover pair is bad for town and might balance the power of the Masons, who are in effect at least one confined Town (if the Masons are real, as soon as one of them dies, the other is confirmed Town)

our secret's out sweetheart :0

You've done it again Holmes!

why'd you unvote, fish?

did you think i was likely town before you got the result?

The cats got into a scuffle, so I skipped Costco and stayed home.
The elves promised that they would bring back actual human food.


I don't think that mafia is merciful. If that was the case, the mafia would out themselves and leave the game. Since that did not happen, let's assume that it wasn't option #3.

I likewise find it interesting that while normal first thought at seeing nobody killed would be "Good job, Dr. Vitek" that Frost immediately jumps to thinking that Dedo skipped the mafia kill. When he's not accusing me of being mafia, Frost has been insisting that the mafia is going to kill me anyway. So why does he think that the mafia kill was skipped and not that the Doctor saved me?

It's also interesting that in post #540, Frost is now trying to say both Lovers are confirmed town.
1) He gives no explanation for why he no longer wants to accuse me of being 100% mafia.
2) He also doesn't put out his usual call to lynch Town/Town Lovers on the basis that mafia will kill us anyway.

This comes after my post #537 where I cite that if Lovers are lynched and Joe is revealed to be Town, it's going to create a ton of problem for Frost/Pooka on Day 3 regardless of their alignment.

It's stuff like this that has had me thinking that Frost is the best lynch option for today.

If Frost lynched and revealed to be Town:
1) Pooka is still in the game.
2) Pooka's alignment is no longer in doubt.
3) Pooka isn't going to promote lynching people he thinks has Town roles.
4) Pooka would be better off without a partner that makes people suspect his alignment.
5) We can still circle back and lynch Joe (plus myself) on Day 3 on the basis that we might be Mafia/Town Lovers.

If Frost turns out to be Mafia, we then know for a fact that Pooka is mafia.

As much as I want to believe that Pooka is town-aligned, I cannot dismiss Frost's wacky behavior. There ha been no good explanation for any of it and saying that "Frost is Pooka's ally" really does not explain any of it.

Unlike Lovers, you can lynch Frost and leave Pooka in the game. Taking out Frost is less risky than taking out Joe/myself in that respect. I can only describe some of Joe's Day 1 behavior as wacky to the point that I'm a bit suspicious of him, but none of it is nearly as wacky as most/all of Frost's behavior.

It should be obvious why I say lynch Frost and not lynch Pooka.
If they're mafia, it won't matter which is lynched first.
If they're town, I want to keep the person that I think will actually help the town.


True Fact - I really am a "can't see the forest through the trees" type of person. I used to work as a video game software tester, including for a couple of AAA studios, which really does reinforce the type of thinking that involves nickpicking even minor details.

If everyone names up 1 or 2 people that they're inclined to lynch, I'll tell you something else about me so that you can get a better feel of me in the future. This is to just help prod things along and get you all more into thinking about who your suspects are.

PSA: Tomorrow after work I'm taking my family to a short mountain trip for the weekend. I think I'll have connectivity but I'm not sure plus we're going to be a very large group of families with kids. I may not be around a whole lot. I'll try to pop by at least for the occasional vote count. I'll be back Sunday afternoon.

Namae No Nai Kaibutsu by Egoist

What is the second line in
about? Please explain.

it's just that stupid argument me and lift were having. I'd said if we're classing any statement that isn't imperically accurate as a lie then lift roleplaying battlecat is a lie, he said it's not inaccurate because it's the sort of thing battlecat might do in this situation [interpolated], so I'm calmly and sophisticatedly proposing the consideration that is inaccurate on account of how battlecat is fiction ie LIES


anyway there's no point going into all that again, lift's never going to admit i'm right

One of my favourite songs is 10 years by Dadi y Gagnamagnid