This is both irrelevant and an active distraction. Lift was town; if you don't like his explanation from the time ("Any last words?"), then just wait and ask post game.

If it's so irrelevant then why did you comment on it, and not comment on the other bit about NMillar in that same post?

Because the other might actually be game relevant, and I don't want anyone to bother with this point. At this point I'm betting both are an attempt to distract people from your lynch again.

But yes, let's investigate your other comment. Do you propose that Nmillar is scum for not hammering Lift?

Come back, GH! I asked you to expand on one of your theories and you vanish on me? :(

For the watching crowd: Blotunga and GH were both quick to continue pushing NMillar as scum. I've already commented on Blotunga pushing a specific someone based on the NK, and G "Every lynch is the same to me and I'm not helpful to town and scum aren't NK-ing me because I provide confusion" H is awfully quick to agree with him about this reasoning. Smells of collusion to me.

hum. Would the two mafiaso collaborate so openly?
For instance, i can see GH or Blot being scum and you being the other scum engaged in a bit of distancing right there. Not saying that the case against nmillar isn't valid; because his actions seem quite sus, but if he isn't scum, who is? I really hope NM isn't MKd, as that would be ouch for the game, regardless of his team. Per tradition/precedent, does MKs end the day?

Turning your question on it's head What are your thoughts? Please don't answer until after GH does, but I want your opinion.

I sincerely hope you aren't suggesting we NL again. 2 is 1 too many. Hmm. do you have any games where you were scum to read if I have time (yeah right. Who has time? But I can always hope.) to see this? I know that some vet players entirely change their playstyle after they have been stereotyped as "they play like this as scum or town"

Not saying you ar enecessarily sus, but I'm curious because I cannot know that you aren't. Also, you;'ve been talking.

Thank you!

Considering this, why vote Blotunga instead of getting to L1 and possibly L for the first time all game? Explain please. Do you not see NM as scum?

EoD3, per Dedo's post above.

They may simply each have the plan in the front of their mind and so both are jumping the same direction without checking with each other first.

If I'm playing as scum, I'm playing for the win. I'm perfectly willing to take risks, even big risks, but I'm not inclined to take obvious risks that don't have a good reward.

Sure, I can get convoluted, but ask yourself what I gain in this scenario and what I'm paying for it.
-If I'm buddies with Blotunga, why am I pushing for him instead of GH? Why am I trying to derail this wagon that's he's gotten going on a townie?
-If I'm buddies with GH, why have I been casting suspicion his way all game and why am I especially driving a bus over him right now instead of letting this wagon on a townie keep rolling?

If I'm buddies with either one, why am I pushing against the Nmillar lynch, a lynch I pushed on D2? Why derail a lynch on town!Nmillar when all I need to do is just wait? If not for this kind of wagon, then why NK Lift? If I'm scum (especially with Blotunga), where was I on D2 when Lift and GH were being run to the edge?

Sure. If I don't come back to this after GH has answered, please prod me with a reminder.

Note the emoticon at the end. The thought of yet another No Lynch, especially right now, is depressing.

Looks like it has been a while since I've been murdering people proper. These are two of my most recent scum games. One is 2019 and the other 2016, so I'm not sure how much you'll be able to learn from them. I'm skipping the All SK game as irrelevant for the review you're requesting; I didn't have any teammates and I didn't survive N1 anyway.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_60_hmss_spectator/page1
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_with_some_rogues_and_a_lot_of_rouge/page1

I'm aiming to lynch scum. I like to see bodies on the ground and flips in hand, and I don't mind lynching town, but the objective is to lynch scum.

Of the Blotunga/GH/Nmillar trio, I think NMillar is the least likely among them to be scum. This push on NMillar doesn't make a lot of sense being driven by his scum buddy. If Blotunga flips scum, then Nmillar is much more likely to be town.

My favorite for scum is Blotunga because he works as a partner for the majority of candidates. NMillar scum probably implicates Catte, you, or Pooka, which means we're probably screwed. GH scum doesn't really help narrow the field of scum partners. Lynching one of the scum nets us several extra mislynches.

Here's an exercise for you: assign town/scum labels to each player and consider what is happening in each variation you try out. If NMillar, Blotunga, and GH are all town, then where are the scum? Who is pushing for a given lynch, who is pushing against it, who is trying to be subtle about doing pushing/derailing, who is just letting it ride?

I'd say I more dissuade people from voting/lynching me.....but more so because: 1. My vote can help town do things like push a wagon through, and 2. Because I like playing(even if i'm not too good at it at times).

In this case, though, my musing on Lift was not an attempt to do such.

The fact that they could've gotten us a hammer(albeit on a town player) & avoided a NK, yet didn't, rings all sorts of alarm bells for me.

Plus the fact that the hammers on mislynches(of town players) are often scrutinized near the most the next "day"......my theory is that they didn't want to draw heat if/when Lift had been revealed town, had they hammered, so they didn't hammer and instead NKd Lift during N2 instead(for whatever other reasons).

Sorry, I had gone to bed earlier(was so tired I couldn't even think straight and had to rewrite my last replies here a few times till they seemed right to what I was trying to say).

Maybe because some of NMillar's actions seem suspect/scummy?

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Odd thing i've noticed(this bit is to you and for everyone else to read as well): Both you and NMillar seemed/seem awfully quick to point fingers at Blotunga....for things like trying to get us a wagon against Lift & being suspicious enough to vote for a suspect player(Blotunga voting Nmillar).

My guess is that there's at least one scum among the two you.


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Note that my first post here on D3 was a post I wrote/saved during N2 about me more or less suspecting NMillar for their failure to hammer on D2. Essentially, I suspected NMillar on my own and without any "help" from reading anything by Blotunga.

Btw, a question: Do you honestly think the two of us, if the scum team, would make ourselves so obvious like that(by doing things including voting so closely together and for the same player)?

I guess it would depend on my mood at the time. That said, i'd like to think I wouldn't be so dumb as to so quickly join a wagon recently formed by a fellow scum mate.

My guess is the scum team is among NMillar/Catte/Bookwyrm.

(interesting little note/musing: Bookwyrm more or less seemed[to me] to "hint" at being on the scum team in post 84[starting bit of that post], and then in post 563 recently they posted something by Yogsloth...who iirc stated they were scum near the start of a prior game as well....of course, might be chasing shadows again, so make of it what you will)

I forget....but my guess is that they do.

I have all the free time one could ask for....and even I sometimes need/want more. ;D

Good point here.
(of course I could also vote for Blotunga and get them to L-1 right now as well, but of the two I more suspect NMillar atm...as such I will try to go for an Nmillar wagon unless time starts to run out more and there are no other options)

Note: I also replied to you with Post 578
(@OP: No votes in this post)
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Wot?!?

I think you forgot one "little" thing: Scum have day-chat this game

Sure, I haven't checked in on such much sometimes when scum in prior games, but I would usually try to at least ask my scum mate in such games for their input on things like this.

Maybe because you're scum and NMillar is your scum buddy, and your plans are(in part) to shade Blotunga?

Tbh if we were scum together, i'd probably suggest such a thing(you being a more experienced player and all, and better off to keep the game going for the scum team).

Maybe to cause confusion somehow?

If you're scum, you probably didn't want to hammer Lift and be scrutinized today(D3), and you probably don't want to remove the distraction from the game that is me.

*Prod*

Why did I have a feeling you'd say something like that? ;)


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Gh feels renewed and refreshed on the new day.....possibly finding scum within things like the actions of others....of words said and unspoken.

"Mayhaps we will win the day yet" he mused, as he read his morning paper.

GH covered it pretty well, L-1 can be quickhammered so we switched to stating intention to vote so we can say "consider yourself at L-1" rather than actually putting them there.

Do you think that Bookwyrm is derpcleared here? Do you think that he is deliberately feigning ignorance in order to be derpcleared?

Exactly, and it's a system that works so I see little sense(beyond times like the end of d2 when time was running out) using to the old one.

(that was partly why I posted post 568....to more or less say to trent: "if ya wanna use the old system and put pressure on Nmillar or someone else by bringing them to L-1, then by all means.....but I won't be doing such")

I think it's more likely to be the latter than the former.....Book is a smart cookie, so he likely knows about the day chat & that if I was scum my partner would likely be coaching me better(i.e. things like to not join a wagon they were on in such a quick fashion, for starters).

Forum sucks, ate my post. Anyway short version, if I were scum I don't think I'd draw that much attention to myself like I did with the wagon hopping. Also I wonder why trent and bw are so eager to lynch me.

VOTE COUNT

nmillar 3 - blotunga (#535), Pookina (#537), GymHenson (#544)
blotunga 2 - trentonlf (#545), Bookwyrm627 (#563)

Not voting: Microfish_1, Catte, nmillar

With 8 players it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch.

nmillar is closest to lynch at L-2.

Day 3 ends in approximately 4.5 days.



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If nmillar doesn't show up by the end of RL today Joppo will replace him.

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