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why is gog not bringing mafia 2 remaster to gog ??
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ZFR: Even number of players, no parity change at Night (barring a bastard mod), so again optimal play is NL at D1. However, since people weren't really happy with doing it last game, I won't be pushing for this, but neither will I be unhappy if NL happens naturally, so as long as we have an even number of players I won't be following my usual "better-lynch-anyone-than-NL" policy.

Incidentally, optimal play for IC is not to reveal self till last Day. Though of course, I don't won't to tell him/her how to play. Let him play the way he'll enjoy it best. Just one thing: there is literally zero reason to claim on a day we're going for NL, if we go that way. Also note, that with no other PRs, there is no reason for Mafia not to NK an outed IC (pre post EDIT: maybe I should say no mathematical reason. If the IC is an utter moron and is helping Mafia with his votes, they might decide to NK an experienced player instead).

Without IC:
Town EV = 53.33%


With all that in mind, the only thing I'd ask Town is not to put anyone at L-1 before giving them the chance to claim, to prevent accidental or "accidental" lynches. If you want to put someone at L-1, say so without doing it. Let them claim. Especially with an even number of players where NL is much better than Unclaimed Lynch.
well, I saw one obvious reason to not necessarily NL the IC other than what you said. Can you?

Are you proposing that the IC stay hidden on his lunch tray/wagon/at L1? :O

Also, UL is the electronics regulators/approvers over here (Underwriters Laboratories), and what do they have to do with the game? :D

Regarding EV--is a lower or higher number better?

Er, I see you answered my one question anyway. Bah. I don't feel like retyping this.

I'druther do scum hunting D1 than NL, but w/e floats people's boats, I guess. Does it matter (I think you answered this previously, but I'm lay-zee) if we L D1 and NL D2? or NL is only ever done if we have even numbers of players?

Has anyone heard from Joe in a while? I hope he is ok & just busy.

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GymHenson: @ Flocke(Post 12): Quick, check if anyone else here has a bird or mouse themed nickname....we must warn them of the possible danger! o.0 ;)
I'm a fish. And you deliberately left me out? O.O Are youze scum?

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FlockeSchnee: Enough is enough. That right there: Mafia wielding the ultimate weapon of destruction - Math. I should know. I dared touch a simple enough looking calculation thingy once and I got mislynched for it.
I love this comment. I feel the same way about any of the higher maths.

I imagine that Day chat could be very useful.

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Bookwyrm627: We have GymHenson serving waffles.

Something feels off there.

Unvote Catte
Vote GymHenson
What? Where are the waffles? Send them this way! I'll check them all for freshness and doneness!!!

Also, good to see you in a game again!

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GymHenson: @Flocke(Post 19): I have played quite a bit, but am still(due to various factors) a perpetual greenhorn. When I had day chat in prior games, long ago, it didn't help me much. But yeah, it's likely a big help to those who know how to use it right.....which, given the current player group, the scum team likely can.
I'm not sure how to take this? Are you saying that it is useful because you are not scum?

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Random.org rolled an 8 out of a range of 1-10, so...

vote blotunga

@mod Where is the controls for this engine? Where was part 1? This seems suspicious--someone stole the first half of our story and every part of the starship except the engine!!!!

In other other news, we are waiing for Catte & Nmillar to show
VOTE COUNT

GymHenson 1 - Bookwyrm627 (#24)
Bookwyrm627 2 - blotunga (#5), GymHenson (#7)
ZFR 3 - Lifthrasil (#10), FlockeSchnee (#19), Pookina ([#30)
blotunga 1 - Micorfish_1 ([#32)

With 10 players it takes 6 votes to achieve a lynch.

ZFR is closest to lynch at L-3.

D1 ends in approximately 8 days

PSA: I wanted to keep links to the votes but GOG is being silly about and it's too much work anyway it so I won't be doing it after all.



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Microfish_1: @mod Where is the controls for this engine? Where was part 1?
Yes, they are. I hope this covers your questions.
Post edited April 15, 2021 by dedoporno
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Bookwyrm627: We have GymHenson serving waffles.

Something feels off there.
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GymHenson: With me, everything feels off sooner or later....just ask all the regulars here.

Anyway, what's this about some waffles? Do I like like a wise cracking donkey to ya? ;D
Your first post hemmed and hawed more than an indecisive politician who doesn't want to choose wrong.
On second thought, ZFR is too close to getting lynched for no reason other than "lol random.org"

Unvote ZFR

>random.org
>min 1 max 10
>6 this time
>participants list says nmillar

Vote nmillar
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GymHenson: With me, everything feels off sooner or later....just ask all the regulars here.

Anyway, what's this about some waffles? Do I like like a wise cracking donkey to ya? ;D
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Bookwyrm627: Your first post hemmed and hawed more than an indecisive politician who doesn't want to choose wrong.
You do know that GymHenson is GameRager?
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Bookwyrm627: Your first post hemmed and hawed more than an indecisive politician who doesn't want to choose wrong.
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ZFR: You do know that GymHenson is GameRager?
I've guessed, yes.

I stand by my statement, and his posting thus far leaves me uneasy.
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ZFR: You do know that GymHenson is GameRager?
You mean to tell me he's not GameRater?!?!
unvote ZFR

I don't like how quickly he got to three votes. So it's time to remove my RVS vote.
A math page on the mafia wiki. Well, two, maybe even more. I see it now: Forum Mafia is code for "come solve math problems, which don't look like math problems, with friends". I was lured here under false pretenses. I want my money back.

What's waffles code for? Secret math problems: The next level?
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FlockeSchnee: What's waffles code for? Secret math problems: The next level?
Waffling back and forth. Leaning one way, then the other, etc.
high rated
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Bookwyrm627: Vote Catte.

I'm pretty sure he's a killer.
Mutiny! Throw this man in the brig at once.
nmillar, the game has started! This is your 9 o clock waking call!

vote nmillar
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Lifthrasil: nmillar, the game has started! This is your 9 o clock waking call!

vote nmillar
why give him a wake up call if he hasn't yet been to bed? o.O

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Bookwyrm627: Waffling back and forth. Leaning one way, then the other, etc.
you made me hungry.
So far, consensus on mafia-day-chat seems to be: Very useful. At least if "utilized right".
The lesson I get from that is: Win - Loose - it depends on which side plays better. Like always.
Soooo, those numbers... It's some elaborate initiation rite for mafia players that has to be applied x number of times until one can become/be considered a "full member" or something, right? You can tell me.


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GymHenson: Voting someone because they helped others....seems rather odd....you must be the scumderer! ;D
"Quick, check if anyone else here has a bird or mouse themed nickname....we must warn them of the possible danger! o.0 ;)"
How exactly were you helping me there?
Or do you mean: Helping a possible future victim. ? Still: How exactly did you help?

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GymHenson: Also in case yer curious, this is who my name is based on
(note to all: above is wikipedia link)
Fraggles. :-) Who knew. Well, I most certainly didn't.

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GymHenson: Everyone does, though voting me is nothing special tbqh.....I usually get voted sometime before end of D2 and either NKd or voted most times before then as well.
You don't understand! This is my chance to be able to point out things before others do. At least for now.

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GymHenson: @Flocke(Post 19): I have played quite a bit, but am still(due to various factors) a perpetual greenhorn. When I had day chat in prior games, long ago, it didn't help me much. But yeah, it's likely a big help to those who know how to use it right.....which, given the current player group, the scum team likely can.
I'm sure you picked up some things. At the very least subconsciously. A brain is always doing something, it doesn't wait for permission. At least, that's my opinion.
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ZFR: Even number of players, no parity change at Night (barring a bastard mod) ...
Because going with a no-NK wouldn't make sense for the Mafia team? Generally, or just in this setup?

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FlockeSchnee: Out of curiosity though: EV? Estimated Victory?
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ZFR: Expected Value.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=EV
Thanks.
This Nash equilibrium... it's your favourite isn't it? Because I'm fairly certain I did nothing to encourage anyone to throw mathematical calculations at me.