well, because I'm familiar with town zfr picking up on something which doesn't seem very significant to me and focussing on it. It might be something mafia zfr does, I guess we don't know, but it has a genuine feel



okay, that's bold.
why those three?

To me those things are not different. Just as I am as a fact in the group that voted Trent, Pookina is as a fact in the group that didn't. As Pookina pointed out it may be just a misunderstanding based on semantics. But to me (rephrased) his statement read: "The group who didn't vote trent is ... and the second scum has to be among them." So it stuck out to me that he didn't include himself in the 'group who didn't vote trent', even though he quite clearly belongs in that group.

To make that clear I repeat: I'm not criticizing him for not suspecting himself to be scum. I am criticizing, that he didn't include himself in the 'not voting trent' group.


More later.

and do you also think he's mafia? or is the criticism a matter of form?

Actually, I don't know why I've included bucktoothgamer here, as it was actually Micro, Trent and ZFR that I mentioned on D1.

And as Trent has been eliminated from the equation (yay, mathematics again!), here's the relevant post:

Did you read my reply to that? That slip can't point at me+micro. If it were, it'd be me+bucktooth.

1. might be. But might also be Town-Pooka having a correct read on trent.
2. I understand that it appears to be nit-picking. But I saw something that stuck out and I pushed to see what Pooka's response was.

The conclusion is inconclusive. But I would put Pooka on the 'leaning scum' side. His reaction combined with the slight scumminess from Yesterday makes him suspect in my eyes. But maybe it's only left over from yesterday and I'm tunnelng? Who knows.

Huh. Good question. I took that as an RL statement that he is still alive in spite of his RL-induced absence. But reading it differently it might express an expectation to be the NK.
@micro: please clarify. Were you expressing surprise at having survived the Night? Or was that an RL statement?

I think it might be a mafia tell. Over cautiously not including himself in that group. But then again, as I already explained, it also might be a misunderstanding based on semantics. In any case Pookina is in my 'persons of interest' group.

But it's such a short post...

That's literally the complete post up there.

OK, you saw the bolded words first and you jumped to conclusions, fine. But why didn't you take a look at the other 2 lines of text before posting? They are so short and literally start with "I am 100% Town". I may be tunneling now but it just makes no sense to me that you did a 180 (OK, maybe it was 170 as you said you did suspect Trent a tiny bit) based on a part of a post and immediately started congratulating people left and right and only later you decided to go back and actually read that post. Why did you even go back to reread if you were so blown away by the "reveal"?

No matter how I look at it this is just a slip to me and I can't brush it off just like that especially in the game we're playing.

I'm still fairly convinced ZFR is Town.

I'd like to think Joe is Town, too. The questions he's asking people and the small conversation we had doesn't look like scum Joe to me.

Lift is nitpicky which is a trait I've come to expect from scum!Lift so he's making me a bit nervous. If he is indeed scum that would likely make Pooka Town. The opposite is not necessarily the same, I think.

Micro and nmillar are less active - Micro seems to have a lot on his plate so I won't give him too hard time for not being around but he remains under suspicion. Nmillar usually claims that he is less active at the beginning and picks up speed later on. I hope that starts happening soon and we see more of him. For now he is neutral at the very best.

The rest are middling. A few bits and pieces here and there that cause a raise of the eyebrows but there are only so many scum so some of those are definitely Town missteps or difference in views/reads which would make all of them not enough to tilt the scales.

At this moment the strongest thing I have to lean on is Joppo. Under other circumstances that may be weak but in this game I feel most of the time we'll have to place bets on things like that, at least during the first days.


I'm not a fan of NL Today, but I support it before the time for it runs out.


I'm going to


vote Joppo


but seeing that others besides ZFR don't seem to be seeing things in the same way I can be persuaded to switch to someone of the lower part of the "list".

Sorry, I missed that. I see your point and I get the underlying idea. I agree that the "honest" approach would be to include himself but also I think you made a bigger deal of it than it deserves. But people in glass houses and so on, maybe I'm not one to speak of it...

I know that. I'm kicking myself for not reading twice at the time. But I was very tired and found it hard to focus. It had been a few long days.
If you think about it, it makes sense that I lost the bump for the same reason.

I didn't. I went to see my own post, to check if it was posted alright and complete.
When I did, my words were at the bottom of the page but right above them were Trent's. Right at the center of the screen. Then I noticed there were two extra lines above the bold lines that I hadn't noticed at the time.

I would advise against it, as I'm Tuna and your vote would be better used if placed on scum.

I admit I made a mistake. Never denied it. But that doesn't make me scum. The mishap you're so concentrated on? It's NAI. Sure I could have done it as scum, but it would be the exact same mistake I did while being Town.

Five players still alive made the mistake of voting for Trent, that doesn't mean they're scum either. At least most of them are not.

Just Tuna?

How so? I know I'm bad at this game, but I found nothing about trent that was in the slightest indicative of him being scum. Can you go back to when you were "blind" and say (not colored by your current knowledgr) exactly what made you think he leant scum?
And the thing we do in mafia is vote for the person we most suspect.

interesting. Joppo is quite shrewd as scum. I can see this being a thing.

lol, nice catch. good to see, if zfr is town.

very interesting theory are you stating that noone else might have a social conscience?

i think i've said it, and i've at least thought it, but i agree.
also, nice pun.

2. yes, in general, except Vitek won the last mafia game by voting for the leading wagon :P

this jumped out at me too, but you beat me to it.


I find ZFR's "maybe yes, maybe no" 328 rather ambiguous for ZFR.... ponders.
But, I agree with ZFR that Joppo ought to be our focus for today.
through this post I haven't seen Joppo explain himself well.

are you still lurking?

i must remember this if i'm ever scum again.

i think Lift's 346 while a good question, is also a bad one because the answer is obvious (347), and it is up to us players to check out any other player's lists.

yes and no.


through page 7.

i hope you feel better soon/today.
agreed
agreeed
you have experience with building one just before a rainstorm, perhaps?

finally caught up to my 360... agh!

leaning scum lift/joppo/someone else.
leaning town dedo/joe/zfr/pooka(?) gh(?)
leaning nothing everyone else (not including me, who i lean town ;) )

1. good question, it makes sense. ofc, you could be scum brainwashing us dumb tunabeefs into thinking you aren't a tunafish, but i do like your reasoning. also, i think wagoneers is a word, or maybe it is wagoner?

2. no, but I was exhausted and wasn't su e ho long my absence from the game had been so it was more of a "i'm present in case any of you thought different" type post.
As I'm totally Not a Cop, and Totally Not a PGO, i wasn't surprised per se to still be alive in game, either.
Ofc, i had no clue who was the NK candidate(s?).

3. I really appreciate it!

4. I found it odd because D1 ZFR was all "lets not lunch but let's go for NL because it's best to do it on D1 or D2...oh, wait, we caught scum D1, so lets postpone the NL to D2" and then on D2 he goes anti-town by Not voting for NL.
This seemed like he was easily giving up a pet theory, which I don't associate with town ZFR. Howsomeever, having actually read D2 up to that point, I more understand his viewpoint.

oooh i hadn't recalled the bit about all players being even.
What if the scum don't do a NK following a NL in order to further confuse us?

What are the odds if we do it on D2 vs D3 or D4?
I'd be willing to do it today if no one starts hopping up and down screaming "I'm a tunafish!"

but you are.

interesting, ty for your logic. have fun on the trip, if you can.
Well, yes. I was expressing a RL statement about being exhausted, and a bit of surprise that the scum ignored such a low-hanging fruit by not NLing me. I had expected, based on my lack of content, to be a target.

vote present

I explained why I let it go:

I'm no longer actively seeking it because I don't want people to not enjoy the game because of it.

I don't want to enter into exact calculations (maybe post game if you're interested), but it's around of few percentage points difference.

I didn't ask you to check capitalization. I just asked, because our task is to eliminate all things un-beef. So if you were just tuna, that statement could have been a slip. (before you then, hypothetically, checked the sample PM, prompted by my question to do so). You may be right that tuna is a word play on town. But this game might as well be tuna-beef against tuna.

In any case, there is something fishy about your tuna!

And dedo is right. Not reading 'the rest of trent's post' looks strange too. As does your premature celebration.


What? What do you mean by this vote?
By the way, I think that statements like 'Oh, I was so expecting to be nightkilled' are quite LAMIST.