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flubbucket: My suspicion of trentonlf stems from what I quoted from bucktoothgamer in my post #396.

I also commented earlier in post #146 about their palsy-walsy-ness.
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Vitek: So you are up for his lynch because he asked for explanation of ZFR's actions several times and was satisfied with responses?

Would you be then willing to go for ZFR the same way?
Yes.
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GymHenson: You could've also just said you're town and refused to answer more.....
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dedoporno: That's sounds like a really good idea.
Can someone explain this to me?
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Korotan: Remind me about what I got told as an advise.
"Do not say what are on D1. It will likely not believed, get you suspicious and even if you are innocent you will only draw yourself a target on yourself!"
This works for most roles, afaik, but for some the mafia wiki seems to advise revealing the role early on...even perhaps on D1.

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(Note to all: I am talking in general, and not hinting about my own role in this case. I am also not trying to encourage anyone to post roles or info...kthxbye :))
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Korotan: Mayby it is a move to get people like me to pity him? Honestly this back and forth is very confusing for me.
Who knows...also it confuses you too sometimes? Join the club.

Gh leans over to Korotan for a second: "Psst, don't tell anyone else this, but sometimes the long analysis by some people causes me to mentally blank out and my mind to skip past some of it"

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Korotan: Can someone explain this to me?
It's a meme, and likely means what I said is a good idea sometimes but not all the time.
Ah thank you for the explanation. Now I get the meme. Anyway I will need now to go. Have now RP Guild Event on Celebras.
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bucktoothgamer: Damn! Now I'm conflicted. I don't like the idea of ending day 1 without a lynch, but im not enough of a gambler to call trent out on bluffing.

Unless you left out some fine print for your night action, couldn't you be used as a pawn for the scum? What's stopping you from accidentally assisting them and giving them a second night-kill?
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trentonlf: It's very possible I could accidentally help scum, I would have to hope I chose correctly as to who is Town.
You sound like a Neutral if your power isn't exclusively designed to help town.

I would not want to have the power to help mafia kill twice in one night.


Also, I don't have a good feeling about my name is Sir vaughlte catte form's post #506 and #513. I'm reading them as carefully crafted posts.

But I've been wrong before.
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flubbucket: You sound like a Neutral if your power isn't exclusively designed to help town.
Almost any PR is Neutral by this definition. Roleblocker. Vigilante...
Heck even Doctor becomes "Neutral" since he can protect a Mafioso from a Vigilante or SK.

For me the win condition is what matters. If your wincon is same as Town, you're Town.
If your wincon is different, but you can still win alongside Town (Survivor, Lyncher, Jester), you're Neutral.
If your wincon is mutually exclusive with Town's wincon (SK, Mafia, Hidden Lover pair), you're Scum.
I'll be busy the rest of today playing tabletop games with my Saturday group, I'll try to check in when I can. I will be available all day tomorrow though, well most of tomorrow as I will be playing WoW.
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flubbucket: You sound like a Neutral if your power isn't exclusively designed to help town.
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ZFR: Almost any PR is Neutral by this definition. Roleblocker. Vigilante...
Heck even Doctor becomes "Neutral" since he can protect a Mafioso from a Vigilante or SK.

For me the win condition is what matters. If your wincon is same as Town, you're Town.
If your wincon is different, but you can still win alongside Town (Survivor, Lyncher, Jester), you're Neutral.
If your wincon is mutually exclusive with Town's wincon (SK, Mafia, Hidden Lover pair), you're Scum.
Actually I got told Hidden Lover Pair is neutral if the pair is scum and town because then they are like the servants of N'Zoth' indiscriminating slaughtering Alliance and Horde until only them stand anymore.
Yeah, this is bad. First post 146

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_70_the_shelter_a_fallout_game/post146

"ZFR: I think I'm so very town.
trentonlf: So what you're saying is you think you're town??
ZFR: Yes. How very town of you to notice. I think you are so very town as well.
trentonlf: Thank you. I think you are so very town as well."

Sure, trent's multi-agreements with me might seem strange, but the third line of flub's post is plain wrong. If you stretch trent's statements and I squint I can kinda see him Town-reading me with his agreements, but I I never townread him.

And now this. Neutral? OK, this role might not be the most useful one, but it's much further from "Neutral" than say a Compulsive Visitor.

Why do you want to lynch trent so badly?

Vote flub

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Korotan: Actually I got told Hidden Lover Pair is neutral if the pair is scum and town because then they are like the servants of N'Zoth' indiscriminating slaughtering Alliance and Horde until only them stand anymore.
If the only way for them to win is to have Town lose, then they're Anti-Town (aka. Scum), regardless of what the flavour makes them.
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ZFR: Yeah, this is bad. First post 146

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_70_the_shelter_a_fallout_game/post146

"ZFR: I think I'm so very town.
trentonlf: So what you're saying is you think you're town??
ZFR: Yes. How very town of you to notice. I think you are so very town as well.
trentonlf: Thank you. I think you are so very town as well."

Sure, trent's multi-agreements with me might seem strange, but the third line of flub's post is plain wrong. If you stretch trent's statements and I squint I can kinda see him Town-reading me with his agreements, but I I never townread him.

And now this. Neutral? OK, this role might not be the most useful one, but it's much further from "Neutral" than say a Compulsive Visitor.

Why do you want to lynch trent so badly?

Vote flub

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Korotan: Actually I got told Hidden Lover Pair is neutral if the pair is scum and town because then they are like the servants of N'Zoth' indiscriminating slaughtering Alliance and Horde until only them stand anymore.
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ZFR: If the only way for them to win is to have Town lose, then they're Anti-Town (aka. Scum), regardless of what the flavour makes them.
But they have to loose scum too because the only scum and town should then be the lovers.
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Korotan: But they have to loose scum too because the only scum and town should then be the lovers.
Which won't be consolation for Town who lose too.

The fact that they're against Mafia makes them a Third Party. But Scum is what they are.
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flubbucket: You sound like a Neutral if your power isn't exclusively designed to help town.
As ZFR says in Post 531, and also as I said before: my own role also can be useful to scum as well as town, and I am not neutral.

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flubbucket: I would not want to have the power to help mafia kill twice in one night.
Neither would I.

Heck, I dislike that my own role can help scum if the choices made are wrong....but we have little choice but to play the hand we're dealt as best as we're able.
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ZFR: ..............

Why do you want to lynch trent so badly?

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When did I say so??

Why are you exaggerating??
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ZFR: ..............

Why do you want to lynch trent so badly?

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flubbucket: When did I say so??
Post 530 (edited for clarity and brevity):

flub: I want to lynch trent so badly.
flub: No, I want to lynch trent so badly.
flub: You're right. I want to lynch trent so badly.
flub (sound of passionate wanting to lynch trent so badly).
Doing the work for you.