I don't know. Maybe, and here is a crazy idea, because THEY LIED.

No, this is fun!

One of them is lying. Town almost always don't lie. None of them are newbies; they both know this. I tend to think agent is the liar.

But why would agent draw so much attention to himself.

Anyway if all scum were flipped likely they flipped with vanilla townies. Not sure a scum cop or a ninja townie would make sense. Now I do remember that Joe's last game had an element of bastardness to it so I can imagine the flip of the whole gang. So if agent is telling the truth then why is trent denying it. Except if he finds the info game breaking. Ok, going to sleep now, maybe I have better thoughts in the morning

@off topic
I just watched The Joker movie earlier, I hope I don't dream about it :S

Because a scum would have no reason to say someone WAS scum(and not is scum) and isn't anymore.

Thing is I have non proof trent is telling the truth either, and if his target turns out to be town he;d be next on my sights for voting.

Agreed that if one turns out to be town we should probably lynch the other for various reasons.

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Or so trent claims.

Did it? Was fairly Normal to me. A hidden modifier or two, but nothing to make it Bastard.

Good question. One of them is lying. By lying they'd draw attention to themselves.
a) Why would trent draw attention to himself?
b) Why would agent draw attention to himself?

a) I don't know. I've never seen trent lie in such a way.
b) As some sort of gambit. Because I've seen trent lie in such a brazen way: in Lift's Witches of Salem game.

The above is why I'm inclined to believe trent of the two.

The other option of course is that Joe messed up and send a wrong PM to someone or something. Or is a Bastard Squared by purposely lying to someone in their PM. I don't think it's the latter. He may be a bastard, but not Bastard Squared.


Yes, but if trent is lying then trent is scum, then he's not suspicious of agent.

Hence he could be lying about being suspicious of agent.

Let me break the game for you since people can’t seem to move past this.

1. Either Dedoporno or Microfish had to be scum or Joe wouldn’t have had to change the game
2. Anyone who was town with a Power Role stayed town with said power role and anyone who was scum stayed scum.
3. The only people who can be a possible choice to have replaced Dedo or Micro started the game as vanilla town.

Why is this how it has to be? If the game was just completely rolled again for scum and town and roles handed out it would be broken as someone who had a Power Role before and not after the game was rolled again would know a specific role was in play giving them an unfair advantage. If someone was Town before with a power role but were now scum they would know a role town has and the same goes in reverse. Could also be a town player had a power role and stayed town without a role, but again would have the advantage of knowing a role town has. Now it’s possible there’s a vanilla scum that you would think could have been rolled again as town, but since scum probably have at least one or two roles (it’s possible they have none but very unlikely) anyone who was scum would stay scum as you are typically told who your scum buddies are before the game starts.

So unless Joe made new roles for scum and town and rolled alignments again then whoever started the game as town with a power role is still town with a power role and whoever started as scum is still scum. That’s the only way the game wouldn’t be broken, and that’s why I wanted all talk of the setup to stop. Now we know whoever had to move to scum started as a vanilla townie so anyone who claims vanilla town will be looked at with even more suspicion.

Whoa! Just saw agent's "I was scum, now I'm town" post. Unvote SPF, vote agentcarr.

My roleplay was lackluster?!? Why I oughta......

*Grumbles incoherently*

(This post is in goodn fun, btw.....in case anyone thinks i'm actually mad at someone:))

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I don't know whether this is good "scum trying to look town" play or good town analysis/etc.

I think I will err that you are town for now.....and might possibly join you in voting agent if I am further convinced.

Can't sleep, on the phone and battery low so a few quickies:
@zfr: scum had a loud ninja... Bastard enough if you ask me
@trent: exactly what I wrote above.

Which post?

If so that might convince me to vote him.

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(If you or someone else can point out which it is and be a helpful bloke/lass)

FAO GameRager.

why is loud ninja bastard???

Thanks...gonna vote him for now and see what shakes loose from his tree.

Vote AgentCarr16