My reads on people: Vitek
Neutral leaning town, I think you put too much effort on trying to link past MTG games with this one, though I see you questioning people and I like your latest post (#374, just above this) from a content perspective. I'm going to make a list too! Typhoon45, Nazarush, GoJays2025
Don't have too much on you, but if you are looking for something to say, how about this, post your scum/town reads on people and why. It's near the end of D2 anyway and there's been plenty of content to go on. Just general impressions if nothing else, so you at least leave a paper trail and generate discussion. I'm neutral leaning town on GoJays out of the three, because while he doesn't have much to say, his last posts have at least been trying. But digging deep here to find something to say. The other two, well, will eventually fall to Lynch All Lurkers if they don't post. Rooshandark
Town, doublevoter ability has been proven and unless he makes an extremely bad slip, I just don't see Mafia just getting a doublevoter in a small game. But Roosh, why is Baz the main suspect if you get killed (#356
), just because he asked you to test the vote? I don't get the jump in logic. I mean, everyone knew you were a doublevoter and they were trying to disprove the theory that you were a lesser-powered variant of it, which would have made you more likely to be scum. Bazilisek
Most likely town, as he's probably put in the most effort to scumhunt out of anyone here. I thought he was potentially scum early on because of his agreement with Ghost, but their views have since diverged, and his play in general is too un-careful to be scum. I could list examples but this post is long enough without me highlighting town quotes as well as scum. Orryyrro
The claim is.. weird. I haven't decided if it's too weird to be fake, but I'm leaning toward townie as I don't actually feel your general play has been scummy. Of course, I'm biased since I'm caught up in that investigation crap with you. Not that I'm rolefishing or anything but is anyone else out there something else other than an actual person/character
? Just a yes if you are, don't say what you are, and I think that would help solidify Orry's claim (and tie him to you if you're lying, down the road). I think that's probably the best way to verify his claim that I can think of at the moment. Are you sure you're not the comic book character Union Jack (that Wikipedia turns up)? :P GhostQlyph
I still find you scummy on your D2 play, with the flipflop and the appealing to the town's emotions with regard to the mislynch. You bring it up every single opportunity you get and you misrepresent my earlier arguments in your #303
after accusing me in your prior post of not commenting on it. I've explained myself many times and it's beating my head against a wall here. It's not that I'm not commenting on it, but rather that you don't like my answer and are trying to push my lynch really, really hard for some inexplicable reason. You also seem to be very sure of people's alignments, buddying up to Baz and Robb as being 100% town based on their posting. and I've already pointed out contradictions (like saying I did "loads of bandwagoning and "safe" votes." in #178
when I only had two votes in D1, and one was reaction fishing in RVS.).
However, granted that I think you're scum, I realise that of course you're never going to be convinced whatever I say. I don't think most of the rest of the town agrees though, despite neither of us having other votes on us besides a pressure post-now one by Robb, and one from Orry that's now gone, so we can agree to disagree.
What is your opinion on Orry now? And if he is lynched, what's your opinion of me if he a) flips scum, b) flips town? Robbeasy
I think you're scummy partly by extension of my GhostQlyph read. It's fairly obvious the Orry cop thing was related to Damnation already having claimed scum, and obviously it was impossible to be anything orchestrated since he then turned out to be Mafia. So since he's town, the mere fact you're pushing "evidence" that came in from people trying to break the game open after his claim, is scummy at worst, logically flawed at best. I think you, like Ghost, are trying to push for chain mislynches. Besides defending against Baz and Nazarush and a couple others, and an FoS early on on Vitek, and a recent attack on baz for daring to ask about a deadline, you've only attacked us two. After one of us flips town whenever we get lynched, you'll then push for the other no matter the outcome, right?
I wrote this after I wrote Ghost's, so I'll ask you the same thing, but expanded:
If Orry flips scum/town, what are your feelings on me?
If I flip scum/town, what are your feelings on Orry?
Your "suspect list" has all been based upon the wagon of a player who outright claimed scum, and you neglect to mention or address that I was the very first vote on him besides Roosh's nmillar/Damnation doublevote for voting him early in the game.
I like posts like #234
, where you say things like,
Jesskitten - I'm having lots of trouble with you this time round, because (for reasons im coming to) I do quite strongly believe Ghost to be town, and the attack on her you made was out of character for you - #209. Baz picked up on it and for me post 228 confirms it - you realise it was a slip of sorts and tried to cover your ass.
Ghost - Somewhat a loose cannon, but a much stronger Town read than Mafia for me - it would take a gutsy Mafia to go out like you did first day, and your reactions second day still fit character - even though you are almost pleading with yourself to calm down, you still cant resist posting up your mafia 'team' as you see them (#198). No Mafia would indulge in that much boat rocking...
And you paint me Mafia for the exact same reason you paint her Town, attacking someone else. Very selective tunnelling, and you actually find her flip flopping and contradictory reactions as a towntell. You've been best buds with her all game, doing Chainsaw Defence for her in posts like #236
, and even though you claim to back off a bit in the face of vote analysis in #238
, your followup posts have all been absolutely assured that she is town.
--- Hypothesis paragraph only, musing about mason talk that was already brought up ---
There is definitely
something fishy going on between you two, and I don't know if it's masons, as Ghost already hinted at, or scum pretending to be masons, as they essentially would do the same kind of buddy-buddy alliance thing going on. I'm more inclined to say scum because I believe Ghost is as scummy as she seems to think I am as well. Because even on the wild hypothesis that you are masons, that doesn't mean anyone attacking your partner is automatically scum. If you are scum, however, you would definitely be interested in preservation of your group, because you have much lower numbers and while you don't lose if your mason group gets wiped out, as you still win with the town, you DO lose if your Mafia faction gets wiped out.
--- End of hypothesis paragraph, no rolefishing here ---
Someone may have commented on this already, but this also is worth mentioning,
Orryrro role claim HAS interested me - a vanilla claim when under the pressure.....hmmmm
And to everyone really - what merits are there in claiming a vanilla role when at L -2, rather than a Power Role? My other game has shown that people let up on you quickly if you claim a power role, yet, Orry seems have managed the same thing with a vanilla claim?
It is very interesting that you seem to be "expecting" a power role claim. Generally (don't look at GM2, ha!) vanilla townies make up the largest proportion of any game, so logically vanilla IS the expected claim. That's just.. wow. You addressed this a bit in your refutal of baz already, but seriously, don't you think that if you were forced to claim in the future, this would throw suspicion over your claim even if you did claim a power role, cause people would just point back at this? I don't see how that helps town in the least.
It also seems you joined Ghost on my wagon to "start it up" on a very weak case, on just applying to the inactives - when I had already posted that I was away, so perhaps you wanted to try to convince the town to go for a quick mislynch while I was unable to defend myself. Or perhaps it truly was for posting pressure, but really? You hit me to post more over Typhoon, GoJays, Nazarush when I've been yelling at Ghost for the better first half of D2? I don't think that's the true reason, I think you just don't like my pressure on her. Very cute confirm vote. So I guess next time I post, I need to make sure I write up posts for both threads before I post it at once, right? That is blatantly unfair misrepresentation. Allow me to OMGUS, with love. Unvote, Vote Robbeasy