Perhaps. Yet the lyncher bit really confuses me. I wish I could read her exact PM. One thing that stood out for me though, is how you said we have to be careful and not get a mislynch today etc, and then vote Orry using that old bandwagon on Damnation thing when everyone knows he claimed scum and thus all bets are off on that one. Now, the second wagon would likely be more informative,
GhostQlyph - 6 - Bazilisek, Robbeasy, Orryyrro, rooshandark x2, Typhoon.
with all 3 claimed town on it as well as a leaning-town read (baz) and a null read (Ty) (Note: reads are my own), and maybe you could make some sort of Orry vs Typhoon for scum reasoning on that, but I'm curious why you're zoning in on that first bandwagon in particular and not the second - ie, you're picking the more dubious wagon to incriminate Orry (and earlier, me) in particular, yet was based on a broken premise (Damnation claimed scum, thus that wagon should be null, as EVERYONE had a vested interest in lynching him) rather than the one with ultimately more information.
Also for everyone else but you, note besides Orry and Roosh, the other person on both wagons was.. Robb!
Now, that being said, I agree with the flag claim bit, and a couple other things. He's down to a neutral read here. But I don't like your reasoning for attacking Orry. I say that because as you yourself pointed out, you must be absolutely sure of the lynch today due to lack of room for error, so why are you bringing up Day 1 bandwagons and early claims as your "proof"? Especially when you said at the end of day 2 that you thought Orry's claim smelled of town because he claimed vanilla? (#401
Also, you are super eager to point out in every other post that you are town or that Ghost cannot lie because she flipped town (and then say her omission - even when she was resigned to defeat - didn't throw any water over the claim). Trying to constantly drum that in to us. We're well aware what she claimed about you. This is her exact claim:
I also am able to conclude that Robb is town from my role PM. The flavor text is pretty strong about that.
So it's a conclusion from her flavour text that you are town, rather than something specifically saying so. I wish she said something about that to give us some further insight, but I somehow doubt we have a Seancer role here. But yes, I agree from that that there is a very strong chance you are town. But not 100%. It would have been 100% if she had flipped "vanilla" town mason, but she did not.
Baz may have thought that lynching her would clear your name, but to me it seems very unsettling and convenient that you would throw her under the bus like that (#411
) when at the start of the last page (#381
) you were 100% sure she was town. Then followed by a "No, I can't confirm she's town", a 95% sure, and suddenly bam, let's lynch her to clear me. (I wasn't around then to argue otherwise, though note I would have been happy with a Ghost lynch for separate reasons anyway.)
But while masons have been known to lynch each other, even town masons, it's usually a suspicion that builds from stuff that happens in their mason chat and not one where someone else can so easily convince you to lynch a partner that you are 100% sure is a power role and 95% sure is town. And then be so contrite about lynching her when the reason you gave to hop on to the wagon was, from #411
a) To clear your name (ie, you were lynching someone you thought was probably town, to clear your name, so if that was the reason, why act so contrite?)
b) On something about the order of the claims, when she stated quite clearly (#378
) she decided to claim to head off the votes that were headed your way, and was able to "confirm" you as town to boot. That's the "Ghost is possibly scummy" reason you used to justify your vote?
I find that unlikely, which means a) was the more likely motivation (to lynch her to clear your name) - which would actually be fine, but in which case this:
First comment - feck, got it wrong again. Ghost was town, and I let myself be persuaded by Baz.
looks really, really bad.
It is also not uncommon where one of a mason pair is town, and the other scum, and her flavour thing could have been part of her unclaimed lyncher role. We'll never know for sure, but to me it does cast some doubt over the entire thing.
Two questions for you then, Robb:
- Can you point out something recently that Orry has done that you think is scummy? Late to end D2 play?
- Do you have any other flavour roles besides being town mason? The duality of "town mason" (You) and "town lyncher mason" (Her) doesn't seem to balance out. Lyncher/lynchee maybe, town/scum maybe, but why would one be pure vanilla and the other vanilla lyncher?
Coordinated attack? It's scumhunting, regardless of if it's the correct tree or not, I don't like your claim/play one bit (I was already attacking you end of D2, remember?) but that doesn't mean I can't be convinced otherwise. We have to have some discussion while waiting for everyone else to check in for Day 3, and I'm very curious as to your reaction/answers.