Addressing some of baz's points.
You are a shrewd, analytic player, which is why I don't understand how you can claim the case against Damnation was solid in any way. It was not. I repeat something I said before but didn't get to explain: the whole Dark Heresy thing completely upsets almost everything there was against Damnation up to that point
. After the explanation (by Orry) the random vote stage suddenly looked entirely different. And you did not acknowledge (and do not) this at all. That is very unlike you, Jess.
Sorry, but which part of my posts are you referring to with this? I know the Dark Heresy thing was the reason for their early votes on Roosh, and I didn't build my case on that. My case on Damnation was for flipping reads on Ghost in back to back posts, and that was what I said was solid.
<Clipped out two paragraphs about the absurd thing, reading Baz's 218. Ok gotcha, was making the exact same point :)>
About Orry being 3rd on the wagon. Hrm. I was under the impression, however, and this may otherwise break down my argument, that Orry was part of the RP group as well, as I looked up the Official Unofficial GOG roleplaying group and saw Orryyrro in the group listed on the first page as well. So yes, I assumed his vote was along the same vein as nmillar's and Damnation's. Else I would definitely have to re-examine that. Maybe this is where we're not seeing each other's viewpoints. I assumed Orry was clearly part of the group that voted Roosh for that same reason, because he was in the RP thread, too.
Anwyay the reason I'm attacking that is that part of the "case" on me is that I called for that investigation on Orry (as he did on himself) and that was entirely based on Damnation's claim. It was the right call IF he was scum, which he seemed to be when he claimed it, and was made null after he flipped town.
-- Jess to Ghost: "You state that you lost a lot of respect for your mislynch, but who has actually said that in response to your Day 1? No one!" -- I did, very openly. To clarify, I am perfectly aware that Ghost could be a mafia who's running a very risky gambit. I will still be keeping an eye on her, you can be sure about that.
Doesn't mean for example, you two can't be Mafia trying to capitalise on Damnation's mislynch, and planned to play this emotionally off of the town. Because no one else seems to have mentioned that beforehand.
Like, before you posted that in #191, she was already breadcrumbing regret for being wrong in her #178, #182 (where she mentions not wanting to harass past targets), #189 where she preps the town for being wrong again on her next lynch, and all this before your #191 post where you mention her losing cred.
In fact Orry in #177, first post of D2, comes out and says Ghost looked more like town when Damnation flipped town. And reaffirms that in #179. So why the sudden breakdown and armload of disclaimers from her, and the refusal to consider D1 suspects? It reeks of trying to force through an innocent claim on someone she suspected in D1, because the claim that the "town" thinks she wasn't credible due to the lynch was patently false and anti-town, and even then, going from that to (paraphrased) 'therefore I will not pursue my D1 suspects again' is another bad, bad leap of logic.
-- The whole "two scumteams" thing... Again, Jess, that is unlike you. There was only one nightkill. Six town against six mafia is deeply unbalanced and you know it. I'll stick to my trusty Occam's razor on this one. You are correct we do not know how many mafia there are, but it is safe to assume three until proven otherwise.
Right. This was meant in the vein of "What were the Mafia thinking when Damnation claimed since he obviously wasn't part of their team." And I'll concede that extending that speculation, including what I said, is probably a futile dead end due to what you said, although we don't know how N1 played out for sure. It doesn't have to be 3/3 Mafia, 8-2-2 is a perfectly reasonable 12 person setup, if unlikely due to only one NK, as you said.
What I was trying to get at from that line of questioning, is that people seem to assume automatically there are 3 scum, and I am not sure if that is a scumtell because only the scum would know exactly how many they had whereas town would not, or just natural thought progression because that seems to be the format of all the games so far. It could be a case of scum slipping and showing they know too much, which is what I was gunning for.