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Posted December 10, 2014
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trentonlf: So mr. Town can you let me in on who the scum is so we can lynch them, pretty please :-)
If flub is town, does that mean we can lynch him unless he tells us who the scum are? ;-)
Posted December 10, 2014
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ddickinson: If flub is town, does that mean we can lynch him unless he tells us who the scum are? ;-)
Why would you want to lynch a townie, even if it's flub? ↁ_ↁ
Posted December 10, 2014
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HypersomniacLive: Why would you want to lynch a townie, even if it's flub? ↁ_ↁ
Well I was joking, of course. But since you ask, it would be for the greater good, especially if it got him to tell us all the scum. Why? Would you prefer he kept them hidden? I would think that the lynching of one town to get all the scum would be a good deal. But as he is the mod, I was just being silly (sorry about that).
Posted December 10, 2014
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HypersomniacLive: Would you expect any scum/ anti-town that won a prize to share info about it?
If what all three of you claim (I hope I remember correctly now and you are one of the three winners) is true and your abilities are one-shots, I would say it would be safer and more beneficial to share information after they have been used up. Whatever result they bring will be available (given the performer survives the night when they put their ability to use) and can be analysed and worked with or against. The performer shouldn't be that much of a target from then on or at least not more than the rest of us.
Posted December 11, 2014
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HypersomniacLive: Why would you want to lynch a townie, even if it's flub? ↁ_ↁ
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ddickinson: Well I was joking, of course. But since you ask, it would be for the greater good, especially if it got him to tell us all the scum. Why? Would you prefer he kept them hidden? I would think that the lynching of one town to get all the scum would be a good deal. But as he is the mod, I was just being silly (sorry about that).
Don't fret being silly, that's ok. I would fret trying to lynch flub, he's crazy and might mod kill you ;-)
Posted December 11, 2014
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DarkoD13: Telika's game? Can you refresh my memory? Nothing comes to mind at the moment.
Yes. The first thing that comes to my mind is Vitek when he referred to the last 10 games and how he was always Town up until then. A few people reacted, but the whole thing was discarded as a bait shortly after.
Posted December 11, 2014
So RVS usually helps to get the game started and sets things in motion. But without this the game seems to be a bit of a stalemate. Few people seem to be sure enough to vote, and there is not much to go on. Is doing a RVS now not allowed, or could we still do it if need be? For example, if this goes on for a while and no one is too sure about who to vote, would a RVS help speed things up and improve the chances of us getting the scum?
Posted December 11, 2014
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ddickinson: So RVS usually helps to get the game started and sets things in motion. But without this the game seems to be a bit of a stalemate. Few people seem to be sure enough to vote, and there is not much to go on. Is doing a RVS now not allowed, or could we still do it if need be? For example, if this goes on for a while and no one is too sure about who to vote, would a RVS help speed things up and improve the chances of us getting the scum?
I'm not sure, to be honest we've pretty much done the RVS but without the voting. As I understand the point is there is no info to go on so voting is random, until someone makes a slip or behaves in a way that makes them appear scummy. Then they get lynched and (in pretty much all cases, except me last game) they turn out to be town.

If any of the veterand wish to correct this feel free to go ahead.
Posted December 11, 2014
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ddickinson: So RVS usually helps to get the game started and sets things in motion. But without this the game seems to be a bit of a stalemate. Few people seem to be sure enough to vote, and there is not much to go on. Is doing a RVS now not allowed, or could we still do it if need be? For example, if this goes on for a while and no one is too sure about who to vote, would a RVS help speed things up and improve the chances of us getting the scum?
I think actually casting random votes is not needed.

What is needed is participation and discussion of the current setup. There is plenty enough to talk about (makeup of fanctions, third party, etc; awarded prizes) to get us off to a good start in evaluating each other.

To this end, it is the players who refuse to participate that drag the game down and make us think thoughts of wanting RVS. If the lurkers and people who committed to the game would show up, it won't be needed.
Posted December 11, 2014
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HijacK: So calling out someone for puking nonsense is confrontational? Boy, do you like to stretch the meaning and use of words.
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adaliabooks: No what I would call confrontational is this, and this:

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HijacK: I don't like many of your lines. What's your point?
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adaliabooks: and this:

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HijacK: Hah, and there's the putting of words and stretching of definitions again. I don't care what it sounds to you. But to make things easier to you, I manipulate simpletons to make sure town wins. Do you understand now?
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adaliabooks: And you know what? You still haven't made any real attempt to defend yourself. So apparently you're manipulating all of us (or is it just me that's the simpleton?) to help town win? That doesn't really sound very town to me.

You know what the really annoying thing is? I don't even think you're scum. Last game you clearly altered your behaviour because you had a power role to stay alive longer. If I thought you were scum or had a role I know you would do the same.
So calling people out for BS means being confrontational, but isn't this what every player in this game does? Thus, by your own logic, everyone is confrontational, but you don't want everyone to be. Tell me, do you enjoy making no sense?

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adaliabooks: And you know what? You still haven't made any real attempt to defend yourself. So apparently you're manipulating all of us (or is it just me that's the simpleton?) to help town win? That doesn't really sound very town to me.

You know what the really annoying thing is? I don't even think you're scum. Last game you clearly altered your behaviour because you had a power role to stay alive longer. If I thought you were scum or had a role I know you would do the same.
Defend against what? Against the fact you don't like what I say? Don't make me laugh. As for thinking, keep doing it. It usually helps, but I notice a slow progress for you.

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RWarehall: You do realize that isn't all that unlikely. So, its been what 3 times? And all 3 times you were accused falsely of being scum. If you use 25% as the average scum population at the time, the odds of picking any person at random and being wrong 3 times in a row is 3^3/4^3 or 27/64 or 42.2%.

There is a reason there are so many town. Only the scum knows for certain who is town, the town does not, as such, the town will be wrong a lot. In fact, we will be wrong on average far more times than we are correct, but as long as we are right enough times, we still win.

Let's go with this game, assuming 5 scum out of 18 players. Assuming night kills always work and town always lynches. For town to win, we need to be right 5 times and can be wrong 6 times because even if we are wrong 6 times, we will still outnumber scum 6 to 5.
Talk about being bad at math. You do realize that scum can NK, right? And with multiple factions, who knows how many can get NK'd per night, so let me put it this way, Town doesn't even have 6 chances of being wrong.
Posted December 11, 2014
I do think we have some things to look at already, though nothing major but the more we get people talking the more information we can gain.
Posted December 11, 2014
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yogsloth: If the lurkers and people who committed to the game would show up, it won't be needed.
If the lurkers show up, will they still be lurkers?
Posted December 11, 2014
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yogsloth: If the lurkers and people who committed to the game would show up, it won't be needed.
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JMich: If the lurkers show up, will they still be lurkers?
Only if they post flippant, one-line irrelevancies!
Posted December 11, 2014
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ddickinson: Well I was joking, of course. But since you ask, it would be for the greater good, especially if it got him to tell us all the scum. Why? Would you prefer he kept them hidden? I would think that the lynching of one town to get all the scum would be a good deal. But as he is the mod, I was just being silly (sorry about that).
I was also joking in my reply to you, so no worries.

If all that was required to get all the scum was the sacrifice of a single townie, I'd volunteered right now.

Also, the Greater Good - obligatory.


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dedoporno: If what all three of you claim (I hope I remember correctly now and you are one of the three winners) is true and your abilities are one-shots, I would say it would be safer and more beneficial to share information after they have been used up. Whatever result they bring will be available (given the performer survives the night when they put their ability to use) and can be analysed and worked with or against. The performer shouldn't be that much of a target from then on or at least not more than the rest of us.
Yes, I am on of the three winners. And yes, what I said about my prize is true - I am town, I don't lie.

Thank you for sharing your view, even though it doesn't answer the question I asked.

I asked if you consider it likely for the scum to share any info regarding their prize, before or after they'd have used it.
Posted December 11, 2014
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Ixamyakxim: Mafia would want to target prizeholders. If there is a town role that can protect townies, it would make sense for that person to protect a prizeholder.
Doesn't make as much sense as you think since a Doctor role wouldn't know who is what and just like Sage did in the past, it may protect a Mafia. The no kill night is more of a balance thing. You don't want someone dead before the genuine game begins.

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Ixamyakxim: It also implies (and this is even more of a stretch) a bit of a rookie Mafia mindset. I know if I were Mafia, I'd never target any of the most likely to be protected group. In a game this big, I'd be inclined to assume there was a role that could protect.
And if I were a Doctor, I wouldn't protect someone I had no idea about, early in the game or not.
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