So... you think I'm Town... and you think CSPVG is Town... But you don't trust his read, or my claim? Get off the fence, man!

CSPVG is either a 1) Town cop 2) naive cop 3) a Townie completely lying about his role and investigations, or 4) scum.

If you believe he is 1), then you CANNOT vote for Lift. If you think he's 3 or 4, then wft are you doing voting for anyone else? And if you believe he's the only thing left... the naive cop... you can't "hrmm, I dunno, I dunno" about it... you should stand up and explain why you feel it's logically sound that there should be a naive cop in the game. I believe that makes no sense... can you tell me exactly why you think that's the only plausible explanation... or come up with another option I missed?

I think he's probably a naive cop. As to why that would be included, who knows? Same reason we have a PGO?

I'm tending to believe your claim, but I'm still not 100%. All we've got is one SK result and a role block, you could easily be scum. As such it makes double sense for you to keep CSPVG alive, he's already confirmed you as town and could confirm other scum as town.

All I'm going on now is Lift seems scummy as hell, and we all should be calling him on his reasoning. Like you are with me. I admit my vote on him is mostly down to feeling, I know it throws out established evidence from CSPVG, but unlike you I see no reason CSPVG couldn't be naive (or random). Maybe Lift is being more brazen in his attempts to lynch people because he has had a town reading?

Or maybe I'm completely wrong, but I can only go with what stands out to me right now and that's it.

As I keep saying, I don't post if I don't see a reason to do so. Yes, that does mean I'm no fun during RVS and most of Day 1 (and possibly 2), but if there is something interesting going on, I do join in. Unless Vitek is part of the conversation, in which case I work under the assumption that Vitek is the same affiliation as me, for all our sanities.

Oh, and do be wary of people who completely match your thought process. It's a very efficient way for a scum to build town credit.

There is an option you missed. 1) with Godfather, Redirector or Deflector. No idea if that's the case though.

If I remember correctly, Dedo claimed and opened up about his actions as soon as we came back from night and not after something was hinted that someone might know something.

With PGO if anyone was to investigate him they would be shot so claiming it is not a bad move for scum. I would have to check some of the other roles you listed to see how they are played and what can be done to them or what others can do to them. IE how do they come up when investigated.

I am not sure Robb did false claim. What would you have done if someone visited you and then there ended up being two night kills with one being your doing from the pm saying someone visited you and you shot them? This is for anyone to answer if they feel like it. I think he had two choices if he is town - explain what happened or keep silent and hope scum comes to visit him another night. Though I can see that his timing is suspicious as he only claimed after Hijack hinted he knew about the visit.

My point was more that Dedo shooting someone N1 with his power, just to use it before he got NK, wasn't a very townie action. Just like Robb standing on guard wasn't. I don't think it's a sign that he is scum, just that he was over eager to use his power. It may not even be a bad thing, we don't know if Twilight is town or scum yet.

But the fact is that jumping on Robb and pushing for his lynch has stifled any other conversation that might have arisen and that's not good. We might end up lynching Robb just in case, but there is no need to rush into it.

I agree with you.

You're too kind.


Sorry folks, I'm too tired tonight to contribute to the game. brain's refusing to focus.

I agree, while I'm not sure if Robbeasy is telling the truth or not (there are good arguments for both Scum and Town), I do think we have been overlooking the other murder. The fact is that someone killed our Coroner, and then decided to destroy any evidence we had as to how he was killed (by grinding the body up). While I am not saying we should drop the whole thing with Robbeasy, I think we should also be looking at what could have happened to DarkoD13. Without him, we lose our ability to decipher the flips, or at least find out who was and was not Town.

Also, regarding the flip, and I know this has already been discussed, but I am leaning towards only Town (and neutral) getting flipped. That would explain why RWarehall was not flipped. If he were Town, why would he have lied about being a Serial Killer. If the theory is correct, then Twilight could have also been anti-Town, and if so, that would mean that either Robbeasy is telling the truth, or he might be part of a second Mafia group or another anti-Town faction.


I think if it were me, and I had thought that I killed someone, I would have come out to warn the rest of the Town. The fact that he only claimed this after Hijack made his announcement, throws some doubt on his claim. If I were an PGO, I would have little to fear by claiming my role, I would know that I was protected (even if it's only for a limited time) and that if any Scum tried to test my theory, they would get killed. Even if this mean that I was killed as well, at least I would get rid of some Scum. What I would not want was for some Town investigator getting killed by trying to see if I were telling the truth. It's a very interesting situation, one that could be used to good effect by Scum, and one that will be hard to prove for Town, unless we are willing to risk loosing one of our investigators, or if we waste a lynch on someone who may be Town.

Do you think we would all be so suspicious even if Robbeasy had not waited for Hijack's claim? Are we just using this to try to better justify our doubts, doubts we would have had anyway?


That's what you get for staying up all night cutting up DarkoD13. Seriously, next time just leave the whole body, it's so much easier, and try to to eat the food while you do it next time. Nobody likes a cannibal ;-)

Awww...

Oh, yeah. Totally forgot about them. ;)

I was going to leave it but it's bothering me (I wish I could just edit the mistake, but I know that's not allowed).
My silly sentence should end with "try not to eat the food", not "try to to eat the food". I blame you for that mistake, Hyper! You know why. :-)

Also, this was just a playful comment, nothing to do with the game, sorry.

My impressions so far:

1. yogs and CSPVG are both telling the truth, and I think both are sane cops

2. Robbeasy, I believe his claim. I don't like that he made the claim after Hijack's comment of knowing what happened to TB, but after looking at the situation his claim is all he could do if he is a PGO. The flavor of the NK of TB and Robb's explanation of his PM lead me to believe Robb. The whole idea of lynching Robb today as a last minute fall back does not sit well with me either. I believe him and that he is town, so why would I lynch a townie?

3. Lifthrasil, I do not see him as scum. I believe CSPVG's read of town. The way i see Lifthrasil acting is someone who believes another player is scum and pursuing it.

4. JMich, He has given sound advice and made valid points. But, he is so Neutral I don't know how to read him any other way.

5. Hypersomniaclive, has done a very good job of evaluating the situations going on and presenting questions and analysis of them. I have him leaning town

6. adaliabooks, he is actively scum hunting and trying to help figure out what is going on in this game. I have him leaning town.

7. Hijack, He continues as always to question others and make points when he thinks someone is off base. He is similar to JMich in that I find him very neutral at this time.

8. Sage103082, Has also been actively scum hunting and trying to help figure out what has been going on, I have her leaning as town

9. DDickson, I'm not sure if it's first game jitters or not, but I get a feeling she is trying too hard to seem town. She has not made any major slips that have painted her as scummy, but the overall feeling I get with her posts is someone trying too hard to be town so I find her to be leaning scum.

10. Ixamyakxim, I am unsure about. He has not been as actively scum hunting as he has been more agreeing with what others are saying and going with it. I have him neutral to scum.

11. crstigale, she has been making good posts when she does post. She is asking questions to help town and I have her leaning town. I hope she post more.

12. Dedoporno, CSPVG asked what others thought about him earlier and I said I was suspicious of him early on but he had been acting more pro town since then. But, after going through the thread again he is the one that stands out the most to me. I questioned him early on with the slip he made with using "they" when referring to town instead of "us". His OMGUS vote after I voted for him afterwards drew some questions from others. His explanation of a plan he had to find scum still rings as off to me.

We seem to keep chasing Robb, CSPVG, Yog's, and Lifthrasil. I find all these four to be town and believe everyone should read the thread again and reevaluate what is going on.

Vote Dedoporno

I do think we would still have our suspicion but I do think it would be a little less if his claim was before Hijack mentioned knowing about the visit. If we are having doubts then it is something to look into and talk about. I do think with this role doubts come along with it. The thing is that PGO is a claim that can easily be scum trying to hide in plan sight but it can also be Robbs true role and he may not be hiding anything and completely truthful.


@Robb - Why did you claim at the time you did and not as soon as we came back for night?