Well, it appears both lifthrasil and dedo have a direct link into the mind of the Mafia, and know who's going to be targetted every night.

@Lifthrasil - 'reason to assume I will be an NK target' - thats every night then. Like I said, I had a good feeling they wouldn't touch the Yog / CSPVG thing, so everyone else was up for grabs, me just as much as any other person.

Mafia have many many reasons for picking players to get rid of -
Someone who doesnt post much, so theres no trail to read back over next day?
Someone who posts a lot, but theories are way off, so people reading back think they are onto something ??
Someone getting close to the truth?
Someone they suspect of having a power role?
Someone completely random, to make it as hard as possible for Town to reason why?

You see where I'm coming from here? I reasonably assume I may be a target every night. As should all town.

Yes - I will admit first night there was more chance hitting a town power role than a Mafia one. There still probably is for quite a few nights, Which is why I came out and claimed. I've already said I couldn't resist it first night - it wasn't ideal Town play, and for that I apologise, but it's hard when you get a power role to play with..;)

And who knows, due to non-flip, I could easily have capped a Mafia...we'll see after the game I guess.

But hey - there you go. Lynch me for confirmation and move on - another night of actions, reveals and power roles in a role madness game means at least you get some mopre stuff to work from

Agree with this, although I'm not sure about your theory. All the coroner does is investigate a dead body to get a full flip on them.

But since we had a coroner this means the scum probably has a janitor. If TB was investigating Robb and was killed then a janitor had to clean the body so no flip would happen. My question is would Robb be the janitor, or would a janitor find the body after it was killed and clean it?

I'm pretty comfortable tossing my vote on CSPVG as well at this point.

Vote CSPVG

There's another player that I thought was the yin to his yang and I'm curious where they come out on this.

The only thing that gives me a bit of pause (and not much, as it involves a ton of tortured logic and mental gymnastics to get it to really make sense on my part) is the role block.

Not that I'm sure it quite matters so much at this point, but do we know if the role block was something "done" to yog or was it something "surrounding" CSPVG? Is there a role that can shield another player from investigations?

So, you're saying we are mafia because we don't like the risk you took? If you were looking from my side what would your opinion on this situation be?

That's the problem. We can lynch you for being a liability, not for confirmation, since there is no way we can be sure we'll get a flip from you (or from anyone else for that matter). A confirmation may come as a bonus, but given the current circumstances this can't be the main reason for lynching.

By the way you didn't answer my question here. Please, do :)

So... you think Robb killed Darko, and knowing that Hijack was going to reveal Twilight had visited him, claimed he had killed Twilight instead?

First, a coroner examines dead people meaning he would not target a live player and as such be hit by a PGO, so you are presumably claiming Robb is not a PGO at all but some other scum role who NKd Darko. Then someone killed Twilight, and because we were going to find out that (the now dead) Twilight visited Robb he felt compelled to claim PGO? Rather than just playing dumb and claiming he had no idea what happened, why Twilight visited him or how he died?

I find that entirely ridiculous and implausible. Robb may be lying, but I don't really see why he would have chosen to claim in such a way if he was. I claimed PGO last game because I knew I was getting lynched and that it might just save me. Robb was no where near being the target of a lynch, so claiming PGO is tantamount to suicide knowing he will probably be lynched eventually. I don't think Robb's play was very pro town but I can understand his reasons. You however have tried to make arguments for lynching two claimed power roles (although admittedly one isn't much use) on very flimsy reasoning. I had you leaning town, but I'm leaning more and towards you being scum and CSPVG being naive.

I see now why Robbeasy’s timing sheds suspicion on him.

@Dedoporno The posted cited above is from yesterday (in real time.) Are you now more inclined to not believe Robbeasy?

Also, due to work I won't be around much for the next three days. I'll try and get on and at least keep up to date on what's going on but I might not get to post much.

I still believe the role to a reasonable extent. I'm not so sure about the alignment, though.

By the way I just saw this. Apparently there is a possibility for the PGO to shoot first not leaving the victim a chance to shoot back if they are normally able to. It also says that the role is more often than not Town aligned rather than Mafia, but we'll have to see, I guess.

The recent conversation reminds me of something I wondered about earlier:

Wouldn’t standing guard automatically use a shot? Being paranoid, wouldn’t you shoot at something (a rolling tumbleweed, a rustle in the trees, a passing animal, etc)? If the use of a power is by choice, wouldn’t choosing to use it be a shot (whether or not you literally shoot at a player)? I’d want to be certain of the implications before using such a power.

That id debatable. In my studies of differences between mafia organisations across the world, I spotted various differences. Italian mafia does not cut like that. They prefer killing and dumping the body in a body of water or simply drowning a target, and then they send the family of the deceased a dead fish, a message that the deceased is now "sleeping" with the fishes. Where do you think the classic mafia movie scene with cementing someone's legs and throwing them in a river comes from? The Japanese mafia, Yakuza, prefer straight out cuts. You will often see punished members of an organization without hands or arms. Yakuza either cut you as punishment, or simply kill you. The only mafia that I know butchers people and a bit awkward with what it does with the remains is the Russian mafia, who is quite known for cutting people in pieces and freezing their remains.

This is a basic question. Scum potentially have a Role Cop. CSVG and Yog are simple Cops from what I gather. A Role Cop would give you the role of the target.

I think it's more complicated than that. If you ask me, I believe certain roles who NK, or hammer a lynch will decide whether there is any flip or not, and that only flub would know what roles decides the flip or not.

I find it troubling you even consider keeping an anti-town role alive with no guarantee he would do what we say. For all we know, his faith was sealed and in order to entertain himself he would've killed cops or other town roles.

As pointed before by someone, I don't remember who, it would be a waste to reveal now. People don't know exactly what I am, only have an idea out of a few roles, so I must say I'd rather not give scum any definitive info.

Did we ever get a answer to what happens after the 3 times use? Do you turn into a vanilla Town? If I missed this can someone please link or tell me the post number. I will look over the thread for it again tonight after work in case I did miss it.

I was thinking about the use of the rope and I was under the impression being on the outskirts and a loner that the rope was more of a way of life thing. Similar to having to set traps to hunt and snare your food or to trap a animal that is hunting something you might have as a way of life, such as a chicken in the chicken coup. But the more I look over the flavor I think there might be something else to the role that is not being explained or is being kept secret. I would think of someone that wants to be left alone to his own life and way of life to be more neutral then town aligned. And to me that makes the stay a way a bit more understandable.

I would also like to know if you would have been so open if Hijack did not hint he knew something about the visiting?

No, no. Don't tell what or who you are. No need right now. By reveal I meant what you said you are going to share about Twilight's night visit.

Outside of my own theories which I now evaluate, there's nothing else which flub has said.

Honestly, I did not imagine a PGO initially and was not expecting him to claim. In my mind, Flub's hint must have had some significance given the fact we don't know how we can trigger a flip or not, so I was thinking that TB visited scum, while incidentally being NK'd. Thus, with the lack of info town gets, we have to rely on cooperation and the flavor or hints given by the mod. But I am no longer entirely sure about this. If you ask me, the "Stay away" message works for both scum and PGO.

This was not the case for me.