I'm preaching for the same thing for both you and CSPVG. You may very well both be scum, but at this point I believe the risk of disposing of one (or both) of our potential cops is way too high considering the potential reward may be too low or even non-existent. When and if we have more information regarding the actual way this game work we may proceed with taking more risks, but I believe still haven't reached that point.

Also, I'm waiting for HijacK's reveal. Hopefully it will bring something new to the table.

As for Robbeasy, I believe we have our last resort lynch candidate now, so if we don't get anything better and the deadline is creeping up on us. But I'm against rushing up on taking him down just yet. Let's at least hear from HijacK and the others, who are currently missing.

To be honest, I believe we're all preaching the same thing, bar Lift. Which is a little suspicious...

I'd also like to see what HijacK brings to the table, just to confirm or disprove what Robb has said.

Just getting back home now. Nothing major so that's is really good. A guy lost control of his truck and hit the telephone pole next to the driveway and went through the driveway into the front yard taking the fence with him. He went to the hospital but nothing life threatening.

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Crazy!!! So glad nobody was seriously hurt.

When I was a kid, one day while we are all at work/school, a truck driving down our street towing a backhoe... lost the backhoe, which somehow turned 90 degrees, rolled over our front yard and smashed right into the house. I can home from school to find a crazy-ass mess. Nobody was hurt at all... Hmmmm, I should call my folks and ask whatever happened there. I was too young to find out what happened to the driver. He must have been a real dumbass to be driving fast enough down a residential street to cause that wreck.

Glad everything is ok and no one was hurt.

I did not misconstrue what you said at all. You said your two lynch targets are people who have claimed town and your justification is one needs to be lynched because we can't confirm he is town and the other needs to be lynched because you believe he is lying and if he is not hopefully he is just a naive cop because that would be less of a loss.

What did I misinterpret?

This being a role madness game means there is a very distinct possibility someone has a way to confirm roles still. Hyper and cristigale still have prizes they have not mentioned. Limiting your focus to two people with the claims they have made is short sighted. They bear scrutiny, but right now lynching either one is not in the best interest of town.

Just want to reflect on this-

I find option 1 to be the most likely, but I don't think it necessarily implies there's more to the role. I had thought "Stay away" was going to be a scum message, but it certainly fits the PGO flavor. (Minus points to me, as it never occurred to me we might have an actual PGO after last game!) PMs appear to be terse for everybody, and flavor is conserved for the public posts. Option 2 above is also possible, but I don't see the benefit, unless it is an outright scum coverup. Option 3 I reject as being unworkable in gameplay execution.

Cheers for that. One question - is it also standard to leave the result as is, even if the majority of newbies end up being town or anti-town?


Could you answer dedopormo's question about standing guard during N0?


Glad to hear everything ended relatively well, though the mess with the fence is one of those things one would definitely not want to deal with at any time of the year, but even less so during the season.


I"d like to point out something mentioned on the MafiaWiki about the PGO (emphasis mine): If flub followed this, and with Robbeasy still alive, then TwilightBard's visit must have had an investigative purpose? And if yes, was he investigating for us or for one of the anti-town factions?

I wouldn't limit it to just investigative roles, he could also have been a role blocker (although the results of that interaction are less certain) or Doctor (not likely considering the better town targets available), investigative is most likely, but I wouldn't rule out other possibilities just in case.

I think this is the really important question... but unfortunately, barring us having another Coroner or similar role, we may never know...

I tend to agree with this. If it was old man Robbeasy who killed Twilight, then what was the relevance of the "expertly knotted at the other" and the "neatly cut rope"? Is it possible that something else is out there, other than that crazy old man with his itchy trigger finger. If it was a simple mistake, why carve the warning in Twilight's body, why not leave a note or something less evil?


These are what went through my mind as well. It seemed like a perfect excuse to prevent people from investigating him, be that Town, or a possible second Mafia group. If he were Scum, and he killed Twilight, this would be a good excuse to prevent Town, or another faction, from trying to validate his claim. Why would risk killing ourselves just to prove him right or wrong. If he is wrong, we might find out the truth, if he is telling the truth, we risk loosing someone with investigator powers.

I guess until we hear what HijacK has to say, we won't know, and even then it may not really help matters.


Why would you do it? Maybe to take the risk that we would believe you are Town and not want to lynch one of our own. Your claim could persuade us to trust you, seemingly coming out all honest and explaining it could have been an accident. The last thing I would think we would want is to lynch a Town instead of a Scum.


Or someone who was really, really, hungry. :-)


Did DarkoD13's method of disposal help cover up his death, or the way he was killed? Did the killer(s) dice him up so that we wouldn't know just how he died, or was it simply for the shock factor? Also, how exactly did we know who it was, especially if he was made into minced meat? (I know that's probably not relevant, but I was just curious.)

I do think whoever killed DarkoD13 knew about his power, it seems too coincidental that such an important power in this kind of game would be a lucky hit.


Why only CSPVG or Rob next? Why not CSPVG, Rob or yogsloth next? Both CSPVG or yogsloth could be lying, so why just highlight CSPVG? As others have said, it seems a little suspicious, especially when we have no actual proof about the flips being for just Town.


I was thinking that when I was reading over the role. Also, did you use your prize during the night, and if so, can you share with us what you used it for/found out? Cristigale mentioned not using her prize, and I was just curious if you had used yours?

Because I found CSPVGs claim more suspicious. It came without real pressure at a time where it caused more damage to town that remaining silent would have. So, as I already said, it either was very bad play from a townie, or it was something scummy. That's why I have CSPVG as more likely scum than Yog. Which in turn means that the probablility of actually lynching a real town cop would be higher if we decide on lynching Yog. Which again would make it a bad decision for town to take that (higher) risk.


The misinterpretation was, that you constructed a "loosig a townie would be no loss" out of my "loosing a naive cop would be less of a loss than loosing a real cop." ... two very different statements.


Hovewer, while I still think that CSPVG is more suspicious than Yog, this:
is of course true as well. Unfortunately that is also valid for Rob and any other lynch target. If we keep getting no flip lynching doesn't reveal anything, since there is nothing to analyse afterwards. So our hands are kind of tied. But what are the alternatives? What can we do?

For the moment I'll do what everyone else seems to be doing as well: wait for HijacK. Perhaps his reveal will give us some new insights or at least some measure of confirmation on what happened last night.

I can confirm this was a too-soon double-post forum glitcharoonie.

I cannot confirm what treatment or commentary he will receive for such.

Forgive me if this is out of line, since I'm a non-player; I've been lurking with great enjoyment. I wanted to comment on the apparent edit: as of right now, the forum software says Hijack posted 2 minutes ago, and the post was edited 1 minute ago. It was probably just a double post.

I also wanted to go back to the comment that JMich made about there possibly being a Town Jailer that blocked Yog's, but why would a Town Jailkeeper protect yog's when they would also roleblock him, that pretty much takes two power roles and makes them useless. I tend to think if yog's was blocked it had to be an anti-town faction that did it.