Oh! This is a very interesting observation. I didn't account for who is the one sealing the deal with the lynch. I looked at the lynch as a Town kill, but your suggestion is far more intriguing.

OK

I'm going to take a large step here, so listen up. We need information, to clear up what has happened overnight, and for reasons of potential to harm Town players rather than Mafia players, I feel I need to do this.

You youngsters, you just stay away from my land. I'm happy being here, I'm happy being part of the community, but I like being on my own.

Anyone comes near me, I'll shoot you dead, ya hear!

I'm well aware claiming this means I will get lynched before the end at some point, but the potential to harm Town roles against the chance of drawing Mafia hits is too big to ignore..

I am Hugh Talkingtome [Town Paranoid Gun Owner].

This basically means I shoot anyone who comes near me at night. Whether that person be Mafia, Town, whatever. Anyone targetting me overnight buys it. I can 'stand guard' for 3 nights - ie its a 3-shot power.

I can only assume Twilightbard paid me a visit last night. I had nothing in my flavour about any ropes or tying anyone up or carving them, but it fits with my role - all it says is someone visited last night, so I shot them.

I have claimed for the following reasons :-

1) Clear up one of last nights kills - Twilight must have been my doing.
2) Stop potential Town Power Roles coming to further harm

I had the idea of hinting at a role and trying to draw a hit, but the chances of being investigated in some way by a town role is too much. The value isn't worth it.

I'm aware this can't be verified by investigation, as I will kill anyone who comes near me. This just means you either believe me or not, and I'm going to be policy lynched at some point, just so it can be verified. As Town, I'm happy to do this, as I believe my reveal has given us a better chance of winning this game.

I also plead that this doesn't start a Claim-fest. Lots of claims means the game is killed - I have a very good reason for claiming, as the potential to harm Town if I do not is too much. I've thought long and hard about it, and feel this is my only real pro-town move.

Unless you have a really really valid reason like this one for Claiming, you shouldn't be doing it.

I believe your claim as of right now but one thing bothers me.. Why is it CAN and not Will. As can implies a option to and as you stated you were not given an option to use it or not.

I also think a mass claim will hurt town way more then help right now. I think it would put flashing lights over the most powerful players heads and a bulls eye on their backs.

Bingo.

That was my theory. The method of kill and the message fit a PGO. So, the question is did we not get a flip because it's a town kill?
Or do we not get a flip because Twilight was scum / neutral?

We've only really had 1 NK, so Twilight could easily have been part of an anti town faction sent to NK Robb or just a mafia or town power role seeking to investigate him.

The plot thickens. :D

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Same thing I thought. Only I thought books was the one (he did claim that last game and I thought that was Flub's sick joke)

This was my first thought as well - reading it the first time almost seemed to imply that it was up to Rob to "stand guard" on any given night. Though I suppose it could also just be he guns down the first three and then that's it.

Hey CSVPG - I didn't like your claim, I didn't like when you did it and I certainly didn't like what you "revealed" (he's town... or he's not). Why don't you put on your big boy pants tonight and tell Robb he built too much of his fence on your property? Pay him a quick visit - then we can sort a few things out.

So, basically you are ready to sacrifice a potential cop for the slight chance we may learn something?

Or
3) You are scum and killed Twilight knowingly. Now, after HijacK announced that he knows whom Twilight visited you are forced to claim and claiming proactively seems better than as a defense after HijacK reveals that Twilight visited you...

Which would be a perfect shield for any scum "Don't invesitgate me, or you'll die. Really, I mean to protect town roles by warning them."

I don't have anything solid to put you as scum, but I won't buy your claim of being town just so either. The problem is we can only verify your claim by sacrificing someone. Either by sending some investigator at you (at the risk of loosing him) or by lynching you (at the risk of not getting any flip...). Bit of a double bind situation. But in the end it will probably play out like you anticipated and you'll have to be lynched just so that we don't risk our cop(s) investigating you. So in a way your move really seems pro-towny (but still the policy remains sensible, as soon as we find a way to get some information from lynching). However, you might also be scum playing for time.

Vitek pulled this link from back in the "good old days" and I thought I might just drop it here to troll you youngsters....


http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_12_taumarumarutanga_o_twhiritike/post41

This isnt exactly true. If there is a bulletproof role or modifier then that person could in fact visit you and determine if you are telling the truth or not. *I am not saying this should be done at this point *

I don't think he's a cop. I think scum saw us hesitating and struggling to lynch a confirmed, self admitted scum. When someone asked if there was any reason we should lynch RWarehall "now" (as opposed to waiting until deadline) I chuckled to myself thinking "Sure, give us another week and we'll overthink this so much that by the end of it we'll be feeling smart for lynching our cop and letting confirmed scum live another night." I think scum had the same idea, and my first thought all of a sudden almost wasn't very funny.

It was also my first tip off that was confirmed today by the huge number of power roles. There are A LOT of scum in this game.

This I get, but why do you discard the possibility that he might be one after all? What if he is the cop and CSPVG is the scum? What if both are cops (Town that is)? We already lost what seems to be our best option for making some sense in this game with Darko.
The cop is the next best thing (maybe there are others, but this is the most trivial one). I'm not sure if sacrificing them before we have some more information regarding them and the entire setup is justified. Later on, maybe, but now? I don't think so. Of course, that's me.

I thought the same thing, but the important bit here is that that person has to be able to make an interaction.

What an odd mistake to make.

I don't get it.