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I don't care if thread posters want to call it a "framework" or a "client" or whatever. It's what it is, whatever "the forum" wants label it.

If it's "needed" for multiplay, that's fine, as long as that is clear - and that folks like me that buy most games for their singleplay experience don't have to install a "multiplayer framework" that we:

1) aren't going to use
2) have no choice or notification of ahead of time
3) don't know what it does exactly*
4) I don't want "alpha" stuff on my system - especially when I don't know what it does "exactly"

* So it "installs". Does it also subsequently and automatically run in the background or as a service (without me starting it)?

It's an alpha - does it do or track or transmit things that the completed version won't (system debug logs that get transmitted, etc). This is rhetorical - I don't care what the answers are "specifically". I'm saying "it's an alpha - it's possible dangerous - keep it away from me - here's possible concerns.."

It's an alpha - it could mess up the system. For cripes sake, the forum recently buzzed about Steam have fun wiping linux users' drives. An "alpha" might do anything - by definition it has bugs and is incomplete.

If this things as far along as it is that the "have" to include the "framework", then it's time to step up and change the installer for those games to include notificatrion and choice. And to do the same for the game cards.
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Martek: If it's "needed" for multiplay, that's fine, as long as that is clear - and that folks like me that buy most games for their singleplay experience don't have to install a "multiplayer framework" that we:

1) aren't going to use
2) have no choice or notification of ahead of time
3) don't know what it does exactly*
4) I don't want "alpha" stuff on my system - especially when I don't know what it does "exactly"
You mean like every other game with MP? Since when have you ever been able to choose what features are installed? It's rare for any game to offer that. I don't care for MP either, but come on now... this isn't something new.

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Martek: * So it "installs". Does it also subsequently and automatically run in the background or as a service (without me starting it)?
No, it simply installs. You have to use the Galaxy Game shortcut for it to be active. But you can make a shortcut straight to the EXE and bypass it completely.

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Martek: It's an alpha - does it do or track or transmit things that the completed version won't (system debug logs that get transmitted, etc). This is rhetorical - I don't care what the answers are "specifically". I'm saying "it's an alpha - it's possible dangerous - keep it away from me - here's possible concerns.."
Again your not really getting an alpha, the real Galaxy client is an alpha. Your getting a stripped down framework that is pretty much done and tested. All software has the possibility to do unexpected things, that is the simply the nature of software.

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Martek: It's an alpha - it could mess up the system. For cripes sake, the forum recently buzzed about Steam have fun wiping linux users' drives. An "alpha" might do anything - by definition it has bugs and is incomplete.
Again your confusing the two, and seeing as Steam has been out of alpha for a long time only shows you software bugs/issues are not depended on some artificial label like alpha/beta... simply the humans programming them and since were all human mistakes will always occur.

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Martek: If this things as far along as it is that the "have" to include the "framework", then it's time to step up and change the installer for those games to include notification and choice. And to do the same for the game cards.
There is nothing to change. The framework is minimal compared to the real Galaxy client. Confusing your users by have them alpha test an actual client to play MP or having them be separate things for a user to download (framework and client) only complicates the issue.

How many people buy from GOG but never use the forum and probably have no idea what Galaxy is? A lot.

Forcing the install simplifies the process for those who want them features without complications/confusion and limits support tickets for dumb stuff.

I fully agree having an option during install would be nice, but the amount of self entitlement and doom that users have on the forum is ridiculous. Of all the things to complain over this isn't it... especially when GOG is bending over backwards to please their users a lot already.
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BKGaming: That is what is happening here.
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HereForTheBeer: Thanks for the reasoned response.

What I would counter with is this: if you can uninstall Galaxy and the game still runs fine in single player, then it's not as fully integrated and wrapped inside the fundamental code as one might think. Further, I think it is completely reasonable to A) fully inform the prospective buyer that this in included, B) make it an optional feature through the installer, or C) make it a separate download like the Downloader. Given the store's primary stance of "It's your game", this doesn't seem at all unreasonable to me.
Never said it was fundamental to the game, but does make the game 100% functional for the end user. The issue here is to many people only care about how *they* play, but GOG is a store and they must consider how *everyone* is going to play.

A) They did inform you... maybe not on the gamercard but it was well known beforehand for both AVP and TWAG. DD was posted in the official release announcement.

B) I agree it wouldn't hurt, but it doesn't really hurt anything if it doesn't. This is more of a superficial issue of complaining. Pretty much no games give you a choice of what features you want in a game. You get all or nothing. Only reason this is an issue is because it's GOG, and people like to complain when GOG tries to venture a little more closer to Steam to expand there business.

C) See my above post. This would complicate/confuse the end user to much, especially now that we have an alpha test of Galaxy.
Post edited January 19, 2015 by BKGaming
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realkman666: The damage is done.
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F4LL0UT: What damage? It's just sitting there. It's not like it keeps launching itself whenever you boot up your system and sends God knows what kind of information to some company out there. Sure, it's desirable to make the installation optional but I don't know how anyone can seriously react as if this temporary Galaxy app seriously messed with anyone's system.
Now I know that GOG is willing to bundle stuff up that installs without telling me.
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F4LL0UT: What damage? It's just sitting there. It's not like it keeps launching itself whenever you boot up your system and sends God knows what kind of information to some company out there. Sure, it's desirable to make the installation optional but I don't know how anyone can seriously react as if this temporary Galaxy app seriously messed with anyone's system.
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realkman666: Now I know that GOG is willing to bundle stuff up that installs without telling me.
Then you must like hate all software and software companies, considering this is a like normal thing not only in gaming but software development in general.
Post edited January 19, 2015 by BKGaming
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realkman666: Now I know that GOG is willing to bundle stuff up that installs without telling me.
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BKGaming: Then you must like hate all software and software companies, considering this is a like normal thing not only in gaming but software development in general.
I didn't see the tickbox with AVP.
It also unpacks all your games to the temp folder (usually found on an ssd) before copying files to the install location (in my case, my friggin hdd). Bad programming is bad.
Post edited May 08, 2016 by bouncedk