Fairly huge compilation of my theories and ideas coming up :D
so vitek being a traitor means it was good for me to vote for him? huzah! i did something right
and as for jefequeso i think that mod had the idea that if his lover dies he lives but if he dies his lover dies..maby cos mafia is underpowerd in this game and he is mafia? so...vote jefequeso
So just to get it straight, your suggesting that we had a lover pair, where Joe was town (proven) and that Jef was scum, and then when the scum killed Joe, instead of killing Jef as it was expected, Violator changed his mind and let Jef live so the mafia faction wouldn't be weaker?
Now let me ask a perfectly legit question: Why would the mafia ever make such a gamble?
If they knew that Jef would die if Joe died, then it makes absolutely no sense for them to night-kill Joe. Its highly unlikely that they would consider it worth taking the chance that the mod would help them out in case of such a kill and I am therefor pretty damn sure that such an idea is invalid.
Also from what I gathered your thinking that if Jef was scum and died, his lover (the town would die)? I can also see some pretty severe troubles with that one.. Although I won't rule it out completely, it just doesn't sound logical or balanced to me.
On a side note: Whats with the hasty voting for Jef as lynch target, from both Twilight and Cruward_Darkeyes? We already had several dead townies and one traitor, killed at night - unlike all the town lynches we had so far. I would say now would not be the time to start a band wagon on the first 10th post of a new day - Perhaps taking it a bit more with ease and lets consider both the night event and some of what people wrote might be an idea as its not in our best interest to start quick lynching people.
Previous kill scene:
[i]You search the town and you come across a house that has the door literally knocked off the hinges.
You step inside and to your horror Joesapphire is laying dead in a pool of blood. His left leg is broken in two, His right hand has been shattered and it appears his skull was cracked like a egg by a large blunt object.
On yet another side note: Jef has already commented that the killing was committed in a different matter than the last one (See above) (more of an execution style or something? Than the brute force obvious in the first one) and he also appears to be a slightly different target than what I would expect the mafia to kill.
Jef suggested that this could be a prof of more than one mafia, but then I would consider it more likely that they would have killed a mafia member? Of course assuming they know each other...
So I am considering if this was even performed by the mafia? because if thats the case then it gives us a very interesting info: Its shows that no night-kill was performed by the mafia this night. That leads me to wonder: What prevented it then? because that would mean that if someone prevented a player from performing an action (meaning if the assumed lack of night kill in this theory, weren't due to a game mechanism or pure luck), then that person would know that he/she have struck a scum.
Lastly, while looking back at the previous kill scene I noticed that even then after the killing of Joe made Jef comment that:
NO! NOT JOE!!!! YOU BASTARDS!!!!!
So... was he fingering someone of interest or was this just a random kill?
Or alternatively, maybe he was the one MOST wrong about who the mafia are...
Or if there are several Mafia (which could be the case. Maybe each Mafia will get to choose who to kill on alternating nights), perhaps he was fingering a member of the OPPOSITE Mafia, and the Mafia that killed him wants to try to put suspicion on the OTHER Mafia.
Or maybe I'm looking too much into these things.
which is basically an attempt to try to bring multiple mafias into play, just as he did after this kill. Just caught my eye as an odd reaction since talking about multiple mafia is not really helping.. it gains us nothing. Since one dead scum is just as important to us no matter which faction or whatever he/she is from. So the only one's having an interest in such a subject would be the mafia itself at least from my point of view. Of course that interest would be most meaningful if they didn¨t know about each other, but yea - thats just me wondering, since I know why the idea came forth - but its the continued discussions this comment is meant to address.
Warning the following is based entirely on flavor and I am only making this as a note:
Also returning to the night-kill from day 2, I am reading a strong man from its description - which refers back to my idea about a prevented night kill, meaning that it couldn't have been a doctor although Baz would basically block someone as well?
But yea, enough rambling Lastly I figured it about time I wrote who I suspected as scum:
I had a finger at Vitek, well turned out it weren't entirely wrong.
I am rather suspicious of Twilightbard, mainly due to his posting and different behavior than usual.
I am somewhat jumping between Jef as town/not town, based on a strange theory of Jef using his knowledge of town people to appear innocent by avoiding or defending lynch targets. The problem with that theory is that I find it hard to prove or disprove since I can read basically any action into it and it would fit..
Both nmillar and damnation is on my town list - Haven't really seen anything that made me suspect them so far. ;)
Orryyrro I am a bit unsure about. I think its just because I am used to consider him mafia from other games, but well.
NotFrenchYet has gone rather silent, and I can't really say I have a firm opinion about her.
Cruward_Darkeyes: Lurking way to much and I consider him a scum possibility - and I have the idea that if Twilightbard turns out to be scum, then I am considering Cruward as a definite scum as well. But well, he has been lurking so much its really only an opinion based on very few posts and could easily be due to lack of attention/being new, but I am not really buying that he is still so new to the game so far in.
Robbeasy is another one of those I have divided ideas about, I don't like that he was among the first to start the lynch of Rodzaju, but as I stated back then when voting for Rodzaju, he was playing in a way that forced the lynch upon himself, so can't really read anything from it. And the issue did indeed need to be solved and it gave us some info.
So Robbeasy is either a very smart scum or a town in my book.
Thats it for now :)