Speaking of which, anyone have any theories which will get this game moving again?
Besides bazilisek post and the votes on NFY you mean? I would say there is already something there to move on. And with TwilightBard's latest post that has just increased the possibilities.
As far as the Rod/Baz situation from earlier. I'm going to be honest that up until the point where Rod admitted to lying, that I really had no clue how to handle the situation. Had Rod not come out and admitted to lying and somehow managed to survive I'd probably still be highly confused on it. Even now the things that are attached to it are still at the forefront of my mind.
So what your saying here, just to make sure I understand you correct: You had no clue how to react to Rod's really scummy behavior until the point where he went even scummier? And if he didn't do that you would still not know what to do about it? Thats odd, seeing as you seem to be not the slightest confused by what you call my "for no reason claim"? That doesn't add up, I believe I must have stated my reason for admitting that information several times and also noting out that it wasn't a claim. That you keep calling me on it as a claim makes you jump straight back to my list of suspects, where if I recall correct you were sitting at the absolute top of when Christmas hit us.
As far as the Doubting Thomas thing, I have to ask a question. Why am I supposed to believe role claims that come out at points where there is no real reason for them? I flip flopped a lot on Rod's claim because I couldn't quite wrap my brain around the whole reasoning. Yours however still doesn't make a lick of sense to me, and the timing for Jefe and Red_Baron's strike me as very odd (and I'll come back to Red Baron's in a minute).
While I agree with your confusion as to basilisek claim, I do also consider it to somewhat make sense due to Rodzaju's actions, but I am rather certain I wouldn't have done the same. However we return once again to the above point: Why did you get confused to a state where you didn't know what to do in regards of Rodzaju, when my leak of info, with clear reasoning and benefits, you don't feel even mildly confused, you just decide that its most likely a lie?? How come you aren't confused about that point? Truly curious as to a reason.
I'm not going to apologize for my choice of targets, I made my votes based on what I thought was oddities and what I thought would lead me to scum. I didn't bring the Traitor up because I didn't have anything constructive to say about it. I went with that question because I thought it was constructive in satisfying why Jefe had survived. I voted for him because to me what he gave me didn't fit, when you clarified it with your flavor I started rethinking the whole thing.
So know with you being unclear as to why jef and baz revealed as did, according to what you wrote, you now rethought the whole thing because someone you don't know why claimed and is in doubt about made a post that confirmed another of those you were in doubt about.. But you still doubt very much the one who admitted an action for reasons of interest of all, similar to Baz post? Of course none have come up an confirmed my info, other than those whom stated that they believe it and my own argument, being that why would I do it if it weren't because I knew it had to be shared due to the important info it gave?
Now, on to 194....I'm not sure why it's getting this kind of attention, rereading it, I sorta got a sense of frustration out of it. I can tell you that there really wasn't any rhyme or reason that carries great influence, and certainly no breadcrumbing...but I get the feeling that you expected me to say that and are going to come out with a far more detailed 'reason' why there's something hidden in there. All and all I can't help but feel that there's a trap here when it was brought back up.
I'll just say okay to that, and note that I was considering breadcrumb as well, when I saw that post. Never found any sort of logic to it unlike Baz, but heck. I can't judge anything from strange posts.
I was thinking about the nightkill, or at least, the lack of a mafia nightkill. After considering the sides, I'm willing to present the only possible reasons that we don't have one (at least, that I could see)
Good thing you added the parentheses about it being what you could see, else saying the only possible reasons is a rather bold statement, even more so when you miss several.
1. The mafia just didn't execute a nightkill - I find this unlikely, for the reasoning that it would be pretty odd that the Mafia wouldn't take a chance on trying to kill someone, there are too many prime targets.
Or possibility number 2: They couldn't make a night kill for some reason, maybe mod related? Thats been done before - No night kill every third day or something?
2. The mafia tried to nightkill Jefe - Again, I find this unlikely, there were a few of us thinking that he might die during Night 2 (at least, I know I was).
I agree, as I to find it unlikely - if he is town then the mafia would know it and could make a confusion kill by taking advantage of the belief that he would die...But that would be a bit flimsy for a idea - Just saying there is other possibilities.
3. Baz blocked Jefe from making the nightkill - I doubt this. Going from the information that I can see in the game, I think it's safe to say that Jefe probably isn't scum. Or, at the very least, he can't possibly be the one executing the nightkills. Only included to have all of our options available.
And your building this on what? I am very curious since this is quite a turn from your earlier hunt after Jef. And as I also have a theory of innocence faking by being too innocent, I would really like to see it. And how can you see that he is not the one making the night-kill? If he was that would explain the lack of night kill, so I need to see some reasons before I'll write that off as easily as you apparently do.
4. Red Baron IS mafia, trying to conceal his participation in the kill - This DOES seem to be the most likely scenario...but I'm now uncertain. This and 5 are probably the highest probabilities though.
And we return to both above asked questions and to the whole discussion we already had.. why the fuck would I claim the kill if I am trying to conceal my participation in it??! What I did can best be describe as the downright opposite of concealing my participation...
5. The mafia chose to kill Vitek as well, and Red Baron just got credit for the kill - I won't call it impossible, but the odds do seem a bit out there. Not to be discounted though, it's very possible.
I doubt it, nothing I got mentioned anything about other being nearby.. But yea, I guess I can't completely write it off.
And now for another possibility:
The mafia simply didn't make a night kill because they had something better they could do/gain by using their own personal night actions. Thats also a possibility I say.
And now for yet another one:
They could have hit a bullet proof target
Rod claimed the existence of another doc, they could have hit someone he/she was protecting, in which case he/she would be the only one who knew, and thus me giving up my info would be a good help for whomever (if any) had a hand in the apparent lack of night-kill. And there you yet again have my reason for leaking the info.
6. The Mafia had tried to recruit Vitek, but he was killed - This I just thought up as I was typing things out. I'm not sure how high of a percentage that this could be possible, the flavor doesn't seem to suggest that this is what had happened though.
Good one, hadn't thought off that, although I weren't aware that they could do that? Guess its still me not reading the wiki about traitors thats keeping me in the dark.
I'm also admitting, I have a concern with the amount of unprovoked claims, and how tough it's been to pull out all of the information that would lead us to understand this. Jefe I think I understand now, he probably didn't get any notification of being role blocked, so when prodded for it, he had nothing to give (although I'm concerned why considering he had that near-death scene). I could be wrong though, and will be keeping my eyes open.
Quite frankly I am trying to understand what your saying here... You said that people revealed info without reason, but that its been tough to pull the information out? How does that make sense? And if you trying to say: Its been hard to pull claims from people then I am even more clueless as to your reason for writing it. And should I point out again, that I didn't claim? And how does Jef, maybe being roleblocked relate to him not having anything to give? Are we now supposing that Jef is getting some form of inf during the night, which a roleclaim prevents? Because that would be the first time I've heard it. Personally I think that if he was roleblocked/protected he would get a notice about it? Or if thats not the case, then I highly doubt that he would get info from not doing anything?? Maybe I am just misunderstanding what your writing, so please do clarify it.
Hmmmmmm, not as much here as I thought, guess I'll have to do some digging.
Very true, not much - actually besides the suggestions as to reasons for the lack of night-kill, nothing.
For now, as said; your back on my top list: FOS TwilightBard
, in the hope that it isn't just me being tired from not sleeping yet, that have influenced my reading.