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Krypsyn: Oh, yeah, after rereading, I note that it may look like I made an inconstant post.

In post 1176 I say:
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Krypsyn: I would like to hear from Telika on the matter before jumping to conclusions.
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Krypsyn: And, in post 1184 I say:
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Krypsyn: The more speculation the better.
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Krypsyn: I didn't like the way Rodzaju just assumed that Telika must have been mistaken about being poisoned, but I still think it would be a good idea to discuss it before and after Telika makes post about it. So, yeah, I suppose I did change my mind a little.
Well, my issue with talking about it too much before Telika explains his end, is you start to become more set in your perspective, that it had to happen this way. It throws people off and leaves them, a bit confused, and that is a situation that's also easier for a mafia-aligned player to take advantage of.

And, on the topic of him being mistaken, I'm not sure why you don't like how Rod assumed it, but when I posted my same concern in Day 2, it floated right by. I simply think that we can't make random assumptions without evidence. There's no proof now that he's poisoned, and it's very possible that he simply interpreted his pm in this way out of surprise.
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Krypsyn: I would like to see what people think before Telika gives his side of it.
Me too. Am actually waiting for something quite specific. But barely half of the mafia players have posted yet...
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Krypsyn: I would like to see what people think before Telika gives his side of it.
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Telika: Me too. Am actually waiting for something quite specific. But barely half of the mafia players have posted yet...
Once whatever it is happens, will you tell us what it was you were waiting for? I'm kind of curious...
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SirPrimalform: Once whatever it is happens, will you tell us what it was you were waiting for? I'm kind of curious...
Yes. That's precisely why I postpone my next post a bit : it would be necessarily mentionned in my night2 commentaries.
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Krypsyn: I would like to see what people think before Telika gives his side of it.
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Telika: Me too. Am actually waiting for something quite specific. But barely half of the mafia players have posted yet...
Gotta be honest, I'm not really keen on this, and I feel like I'm going to be disappointed with your reasoning. This doesn't feel very pro-town to me.

I don't really have much to say on Telika right now then, but I don't really have any other topics at the moment.
I think we're all waiting for Telika to make the big reveal now, aren't we?

And, yes, I was wrong about Vitek, but he didn't really help matters by forcing through the lynch himself.
Speculation Ho!

Telika did not die:
Someone with a role that allows Telika to not die used their powers on Telika.
Telika recieved ominous, yet meaningless, night flavour.
Telika lied. Throws some bait about and waits for the rolefish to take a bite; hopes to find some treasure.

Of the three I think Telika-Saved-By-Doc-Or-Whatever to be the most probable. And I Find Telika-Lies to be more likely than Bum-Flavour. (Although, I remember that Telika seemed to have very little engagement with the game earlier on so maybe it's unlikely that Such-A-Scheme has been devised.)

Speculation Qu!

Twiglet is seeming pretty scummy to me today.
Or well.
Twiglet's "Hey-Guys-Remember-When-JMich-Did-That-Thing-Yesterday-That-I-Didn't-Want-To-Mention-At-The-Time" (interpolated) seemed scummy to me but actually the stuff about "Telika-Shouldn't-Be-Fishing-For-Roles" seems fairly town.
Third on Vitek's Runaway Wagon though. If I was suspecting Twiglet of being scum already then that position isn't convincing me otherwise.
Okay, not patient enough. Anyway, so, here is what I had typed :

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I confirm that I was poisoned. I'm not anymore. My bowels have been thoroughly purged (shitting my trousers kinda helped in that regard : I actually escaped death twice, tonight, if we count game-irrelevant flavour due to gratuitously sadistic moderators). Anyway, yeah. I was indeed poisoned, I am not poisoned anymore, and I suppose that one townie could confirm it (and hopefully won't).

I may have also a slightly more precise understanding of the game's slightly atypical mechanisms.

As for the game itself, major re-reads are to be made. I was immensely convinced of Vitek's guilt, this will make it difficult for me to evaluate the scumminess of the potential mafiosi on his bandwagon. And symetrically, as he turned out town, it proves that his own points and suspicions could be held in all honesty, which will make it very difficult to identify truly scummy reasonings on "his" side of day 1. The mafiosi seem to have a comfortable highway ahead, there.

No kill tonight. It could be a blocked action, or another delayed kill. If it's the latter, I hope the threat will be identified and countered too.

One thing I wish to bring to everybody's attention : I could have been lying about my poisoning only to pass for a mafia-targetted victim, and look very townie. So, this should not been taken in account. I specify this, because I realise that, with these potential delayed murders, some mafioso could claim to have been targetted during the night, in order to benefit from some "town identity presumption". I could have posted immediately -as I was online when day3 opened- but I wanted to wait a bit for some spontaneous claim of that kind.

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So, there. I was curious to see if someone would, after that kill-less night, post some "hey, my food/drink also tasted weird, tonight". Nobody wrote anything like that, meaning that either there was no poisoning tonight (blocked "regular" kill instead ?), or NotFrenchYet decided to make poisons tasteless (I doubt it, as it would make "counters" useless), or another potential poison victim hasn't posted yet. I didn't want to theorise on this, because, after my post, I'd trust the "hey, unusual aftertaste here" posts less : my post kinda encourages mafiosi to claim poisoning.

Maybe I should have waited for every player to post. But that seems to take a long time, and people get impatient in the meanwhile, and me too.

We'll see if those who haven't posted yet have something to say.
In other words, I assume that :

JoeSapphire
Nmillar
Twilightbard
Sirprimalform
Krypsyn
Rodzaju
Robbeasy
Red_BAron
Pazzer
JMich

Have not been poisoned, and/or have been very "silently" been poisonned.

We haven't heard from Damnation and A_Future_Pilot.
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Telika: I actually escaped death twice, tonight, if we count game-irrelevant flavour due to gratuitously sadistic moderators).
But, if we don't count the flavor, you just escaped death from poison, right? I just want to be certain that nobody else tried to kill you last Night.

Also, you are correct, I have not been poisoned, to my knowledge.
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Telika: I actually escaped death twice, tonight, if we count game-irrelevant flavour due to gratuitously sadistic moderators).
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Krypsyn: But, if we don't count the flavor, you just escaped death from poison, right? I just want to be certain that nobody else tried to kill you last Night.
Yes, apart from NotFrenchYet who was a bit in a Tex Avery mood, nobody tried to kill me tonight. No genuine, in-game, player attack, on me. I assume that the mafia was waiting for the result of their poisoning attempt.

But the night1 attempt having been officially confirmed by the flavor (although not specified if it was a mafia attempt or a vigilante's, serial killer's, whatever), it means that, indeed, delayed murders are possible in this game.

Also : no theft or other weirdness, here.
Bearing in mind Telika's warning perhaps I shouldn't be saying this, but I got attacked by a snake last night.
It didn't get me so I do NOT believe I am in any iminent danger, but thought it worth mentioning.
If Telika is telling the truth, then no night kill tonight makes sense.

(Yes, I know I said speculation isn't right, but i can't resist..;)

If the Mafia kill by poisoning, then there is a one day delay between poisoning and killing. Telika survived , someone else was poisoned and will die by tomorrow.

One big flaw I see with this reasoning is IF there is a doctor, all that needs to happen is the person who gets the night flavour of being poisoned speaks up, and the doctor visits them that night to cure them.

I find it very difficult to believe that this mechanic is in the game - surely the Mod has seen the possibility of this happening?
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Robbeasy: If Telika is telling the truth, then no night kill tonight makes sense.
I am pretty sure Telika is telling the truth about being poisoned. The story just seems to outlandish, and the possible gains so minimal, to be made up. Also, I think the most likely scenario is that a doctor (or some other healing role) visited Telika last night and cured him. No, I am not asking Telika, and certainly not the hypothetical healer, to confirm this, but this is my conjecture.

This doesn't mean that Telika is automatically town, since even scum can target scum, but I do believe his description of Night events.

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Robbeasy: One big flaw I see with this reasoning is IF there is a doctor, all that needs to happen is the person who gets the night flavour of being poisoned speaks up, and the doctor visits them that night to cure them.

I find it very difficult to believe that this mechanic is in the game - surely the Mod has seen the possibility of this happening?
Except, it can become very WIFOM very quickly. It would be very easy for a scum to claim they had been poisoned to draw out the hypothetical healer. I have no idea what sort of flavor would be in those PMs, but, if the healer's identity were given to the scum, it could be bad news. In that way, the healer would need to think carefully about accepting cries for help. WIFOM's a bitch.

Also, it could be that the poisoning is a one-shot type of power. Either the player just has that one use, or the power is part of a Jack-of-All-Trades (or similar archetype) arsenal. This would also limit some of the abuse that could occur.
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Krypsyn: It would be very easy for a scum to claim they had been poisoned to draw out the hypothetical healer.
Fortunately or unfortunately, no risk on that side. Unfortunately because as I don't know to whom I owe my life, I still have to work with the same number of suspects in front of me. Fortunately because there's no risk to trick someone by claiming to be poisoned.

The only benefit I see, for a mafioso, in claiming to be poisoned, is that it makes him look quite townie. So, here, keeping a "wifom" in mind (remembering to not assume anything about a poisoned person's affiliation) may be useful, and may neutralise this risk.