Unfortunately, and I do mean unfortunately, he did accrue 8 votes:
1- Rob
2- Nick
3- Twiglet
4- Telika
5- Baron
6- AFP
7- SPF
8- Vitek

A post to get this posted before day ends, even though I'd have prefered if all the players have posted before.

It seems to me that everyone got a night flavour, even if they didn't have (or didn't use) a night action. Now, why does this warrant mentioning?

Out of the 14 of us, Krypsyn and Pazzer will be skipped, since Krypsyn posted after "The Vitek Vote" (can I coin this phrase?) and Pazzer hasn't posted yet. I'm also ignoring Robbeasy from the lists since we knew he should have a night PM, and are waiting to see what he posts.

For the rest of us, Telika, Red_Baron, Vitek, A_Future_Pilot and me (though feel free to ignore me, I am the one posting this after all) mention that something unusual happened during the night, be that the fact that something they ate disagreed with them, that they thought they heard a noise, or just hinting at a night flavour PM.

In contrast, SirPrimalform, JoeSapphire, Damnation, TwilightBard, Rodzaju and nmillar don't think it's noteworthy to mention if they got a night flavour pm, so either they didn't get one, or they thought it was normal for them to do so.

What does that say to me? That the second group had a night action planned, be they scum or town (or other), thus they didn't find it weird to get a PM.

Of course, it's entirely possible that it's normal for NFY to give all players night flavour, and those who have played with NFY before see that as normal, and the lists above are usuless, but so far this is my first NFY game, and in the previous one I didn't get any night flavour. Still, food for thought.

So, that being said, wanted to write down a few points :

1) I'm a bit ill at ease : the "why would he know that he is poisonned" sound a bit like metagaming reproaches, to the moderator or to me (which is understandable, as it may defeat the point of covering the assassination date with mystery). Checking the wikis, I see that poisonned people may get much much more univocal messages, like "you feel sick as if you got poisonned" (and may be saved by a doctor during their agony night). I didn't even recieve this. I got a subtle-ish passing remark on the aftertaste of something I ate, but it's not a comment I would have expected if there was no meaning to it (it's like a camera zoom in a movie, it's rarely gratuitous). So, if it's poison, the way Notfrenchyet dealt with it it quite within the mafia standards. Now, was I sussposed to not infer anything from it, or not express anything about it...

2) The idea that I'd use it as "suicide" is a bit weird. If anything I'd use t as "don't waste a vote on me, I'll turn dead anyway". With maybe "do waste a doctor on me please, we mafia have some killing to do".

3) Stressing again that flavor confirmation (how hard is it to rephrase recognizable elements, Rob?) only "solidarizes" Rob and Red_Baron (both mafia or both town), with the slight added possiblity of mafia detective work (can be?). It's still an element of weight. My own strategy would not have involved lynching Rob to clean Red, but classifying them as "less likely scummy" with no absolute certitude. But that's just me. Not sure if 1 certain town (and one mislynch) is better than 2 probable town (living), but this is no rhetoric phrasing : am honestly not certain which is better. In game 13, lynching me or Vitek to innocent the other would not have felt an entirely satisfactory plan. But has some pros.

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prepostmeta-edit :

@rodz, I suppose it depends on the validity of self-votes, then.

I think if I ever mod a game I'm going to make it so that lynches aren't possible until all living players have posted once that day. It must be annoying for those who have just joined us or have yet to join us to find that the day has finished.

That is ?

Oh FFS people - what are you doing??!!!!

Last thing we want is a speed-lynch with no discussion on what happened yesterday! And yet its happened anyway. I know I was first to vote , but I didnt expect this!!
The speed of it is very worrying - methinks it may be a mistake, tomorrow need to look at who pushed it through at the end there, should he flip town, but Vitek self-hammering.?!....

If he's Town , then its a terrible terrible thing for him to have done

If he's jester, hes just won the game

If he's Mafia, it at least gives them a free night as it were, as we haven't had any time to discuss anything at all!!

As for my flavour, it may as well wait until tomorrow for now. Should I be killed overnight, it will ultimately confirm red_baron as town at least anyway. Should I still be here tomorrow, I will divulge the flavour I got on him then. And it IS just flavour, no role hints at all.

Why wait until tomorrow? Surely it's best to go into night knowing more rather than less.

For Red to get assassinated and unable to confim/infirm your testimony ?

Ouch, Rob, that was scummy.

Hmm, then what exactly does this point at?


Also, JMich, you reek of scum in that post, courtesy of rolefishing.

OK - lets stop and think about this for a minute shall we.....

The lynch has occured. Night is coming.

Giving out ANY more information at this point can only help Mafia. Waiting at least makes them think a little more. I could give out info on flavour, but red_baron is town remember, the less Mafia knows about town roles / flavours the better.

If Red_baron gets assassinated, then the only way my info could be corroborated is by lynching me - i was expecting that anyway, so why does it matter if we wait one more night??

Could you please tell me where that logic is anti-town? If you can , I'll happily splurge all the info I have on Red_Baron right now.

And btw, still not heard from MOD anyway about how much I can say or not say....

Okay. I read this as a bluff, attempting to be dragged as far as possible. First with "wait I don't know how to rephrase it", then "wait anyway the night is coming". Both were suspicious to me. The possibility of scumplay is increasing,

And for antitown : if you lose the opportinuty to solidify your "role solidarity" with Red while we're sure he still can, then you waste the whole of the procedure (Red assassinated, and you lynched, to confirm you're both town?). If Red dies, we're back to square one. If you confirm night observations, then at least there is weight towards some town role assumption.

If there IS a town role to assume.

Even I must agree here Rob - You said yourself you get flavor - not a role - not allignment (other than not dying) and as such I see no reason not to post it.

Since we're looking at a night scenario here, me getting killed is a possibility, as as such saving the flavor about me for tomorrow makes no sense.

So yea, do spill it. Also sad to say, but this waiting game does from my perspective make you less town and more like it is that master plan I considered an option (if its the latter then damn your playing a high risk, yet impressive play).

Damnation: Yea, I was surprised - He was still quite far from lynch when I voted and while I did of course intend him to be a lynch candidate with my vote, I expected at least some reaction/defense from him / time for discussion, other than him convincing someone else to vote for him as well as voting for himself.. Something I wouldn't have considered even if he had been closer to a lynch when I voted.

But yea. back to point: Spill your guts Robbeasy.

He was at L-4 when you voted, putting him to L-3, which is when things start to get very serious and he is very close to a speed lynch, which happened, so yeah no, I don't think you merely voted for him because you wanted him to be a lynch candidate - you joined the bandwagon right when I had the highest momentum. And since it's Vitek, it's not that strange that he opts for a "Screw you guys, I'm gonna prove I'm town" when it moves THAT fast.

As per you not wanting to reveal your info, Rob. Think of it this way. You don't tell us, Red is killed during the night. Your flavour cannot be confirmed, and everything about you will forever be in doubt, unless we lynch you. So to confirm your stuff, we lynch you, mafia kills a town. If you and Red flipped town here, we're three town down and your info is considered good - now how would that help town in anyway? We would have confirmed info we cannot use for much other than wailing OMGUS or WIFOM at suspects.

Indeed, Rob's situation would be more interesting now without Vitek's move. People slow down the votes when they get close to L, and at L-3 or L-2, hammers become potentually informative. We've been deprived of this -and of actual Rob debate- by what is a very antitown move from Vitek, if not a mere mafia capitulation. I don't think that the voters are at fault there. We didn't have the pressure that we would have had if we knew that the night would have been automatically triggered at L-2...

I takes 8 to lynch, not just one. So seven others are guilty of the lynch as well. There are degrees of just how influential your vote has been, sure, but Red_Baron's is ranking high. More interesting I still find TwilightBard's, and mroe so AFP's and SPF's.