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Damnation: Interesting reaction - jealous that I only posted a reaction to Joe's recent movement on it?
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Vitek: Yes, I never like to be ignored and you made it sound like Joe was the one to point out his inconsistency in reads.
Well, Vitek, what one writes and what one thinks are not necessarily the same. Always know that I fish for reactions, you should know that
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Damnation: On the whole AFP, Krypsyn put it very well with his "Geiger counter at Chernobyl" metaphor (Seriously, I love that one :D).
Heh, glad you liked it.

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TwilightBard: I'm still doing my rereading (Sorry, I've been getting caught up trying to get some of the rest of my Christmas stuff baked and in the freezer)...
No apologies necessary, I wasn't trying to pressure you to read faster or anything. I just wanted other people to give you enough time. I do appreciate you posting to give us a heads up though. :)

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TwilightBard: ... but I really do see AFP as probably the best lynch going forward.
It looks like it is going to happen then, unless something changes drastically in the next few days. This would be the time for A_Future_Pilot to give a post or two in his defense, most assuredly.


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TwilightBard: Krypsyn and Damuna's stand/stood out, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, but I do think there's something there.
There isn't anything more there than what I have already stated, but I certainly don't begrudge you your misgivings on the matter. However, had you totally ignored it, then I would have found it a bit curious.
Welcome Twilight

Seems like there's never a dull moment in this game. Thanks Krypsyn for the unofficial vote count.

To my mind there's no case against Vitek in fact I see it as mafia led. I think it went something like this:

Joe: Vitek what big ears, big eyes and big teeth you have i'm voting for you
Vitek: what nonsense
Spf: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god what a massive reaction, clearly mafia, adds vote
Other people voted

Interesting that now that bandwagon isn't going anywhere Joe has switched his attentions to Rob. Though I must admit he has shot up my list of suspects . Might even have made no 1 if not for the fact I suspect Joe more.

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Robbeasy: One thing - think about how the Mafia works. Any mafia player coming up with an attack on a town player WILL get support, at least from his scum-buddies.

So it follows that anyone who has put forward a theory or tried to start a bandwagon on this first day and failed miserably, has a larger chance to be a Town player (or at least non-Mafia).
Lets see who's put forward a theory that's failed miserably could it be you Rob. Thanks for spelling it out that your town.
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pazzer: Vitek: what nonsense
Spf: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god what a massive reaction, clearly mafia, adds vote
It was not his reaction to the accusations that was weird, but his reaction to the request for a reaction to the accusations. But whatever.
Was some debate about claiming in previous games. So am not sure auto claiming at L-2 is particularly pro town. As for not lynching a newbie the roles are randomly assigned so they have as much chance of being mafia as everyone else.

Joe – mafia (3) enjoy reading his posts but see his attempt to form a bandwagon on Vitek without a case as a mafia player trying to get rid of strong town player.

Rod – mafia(4) made that really odd post and in my opinion was fishing to find out if N0x was strong town player who would need taking out. Though most other players seem to have put it down to his usual play style.

JMich – Jester just get the feeling there's something odd about him. As he compared himself to player who was mafia in last game and someone who lurks in the shadows pulling the strings. Probably more likely to be survivor.

Vitek – town (8) or sk seems to be doing a good job of mafia hunting plus I think the case against him was a load of nonsense

Krypsyn – mafia(5) didn't notice he added 3rd vote to Damuna. So wasn't really paying attention, think mafia don't have to pay as much attention as not really bothered who's lynched as long as it's not one of them. Though mainly he had me fooled in previous game.

Spf - mafia (5) find him very tricky to read

Rob – mafia (4) declared rvs stage was over when clearly it wasn't more telling is p744 which I see as him saying look at me i'm town.

Damuna/Red – mafia (5) went back and forth on Damuna the 3 quick votes made my think she was town. But then she made all those odd posts which made me doubt that.

Nmillar – mafia (5) another tricky one for me to read. Found it much easier when he was a loose cannon. The meta reading struck me as odd.

Ubivis/Twilight – town (6) had actually forgotten Ubivis was in the game. But he made a post which I agree with so leaning town.

N0x0ss/Damnation – mafia (5) might just have been his play style but don't like the way he was 100% clearing people on day 1.

Telika – mafia (5)

Afp – mafia (3) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon with most momentum at the time. But leaves himself an easy out by just posting he agrees with someone elses argument.
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pazzer: Krypsyn – mafia(5) didn't notice he added 3rd vote to Damuna. So wasn't really paying attention, think mafia don't have to pay as much attention as not really bothered who's lynched as long as it's not one of them. Though mainly he had me fooled in previous game.
I didn't notice the other votes on Damuna because they were RVS votes. I was the first "real" vote on her.

What do the numbers after the names mean, btw? I am guessing (because AFP has your vote) that the lower the number, the more scummy you think the person is?
And if A_F_P flips town, will people consider Vitek a little less obviously super-townie than they do now ?
I see I've been getting some attention...

@Vitek / Joe - I'm not allowed to change my mind then? You'll note when i said Vitek wasn't looking scummy it was qualified that I hadn't been paying much attention to him. A reread had pushed him up there, but I wasn't saying anything because I judged it was one of those rare occasions where vocal pressure on him would have detrimental - I didnt want him to know at all about any suspicions I had. Joe jumped on it anyway, so forcing my hand somewhat. Make of that what you will.

@Pazzer - you don't think its a valid point then? It doesn't make any sense? Quite aside from the fact that yes I did have a failed theory out there (which I happen to think still has merit, but no-one else appears to). Tell me my point is completely valueless - you can't because it isn't.
Along with a shitty week, home router died last night, and a bit of a work load atm. Not sure if I'll be able to post as much as I'd like during the rest of the week, will try to keep up, especially since it seems that there are interesting things going on.
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Robbeasy: @Vitek / Joe - I'm not allowed to change my mind then? You'll note when i said Vitek wasn't looking scummy it was qualified that I hadn't been paying much attention to him. A reread had pushed him up there, but I wasn't saying anything because I judged it was one of those rare occasions where vocal pressure on him would have detrimental - I didnt want him to know at all about any suspicions I had. Joe jumped on it anyway, so forcing my hand somewhat. Make of that what you will.
Allow me to not believe you.
1. You never said you were not paying attention to me, you said that I am not scummy but you were focusing more on others.
2. If you really wasn't paying attention to me, then why did you tell Joe that you've been watching me carefully?
3. You really wasn't paying attention to me? Click me.
4. You claim that you re-read me during the 3 day period but yet you also claim massive reread few days before this. So in that massive reread, you missed my scumminess, decided to do another reread to find it because you felt it's necessary when I wasn't scummy to you before and suddenly find me as very likely scum?
5. Why should your vocal suspicion be determinal? You were fine with voicing your scummy reads on Damuna, krypsyn, AFP or Joe, but you felt need to keep it hidden about me?
6. If you were hiding suspicion, I would expect to not mention me or something but I wouldn't expect voicing the opposite and saying that I m not scummy.
7. Not only it's odd to hide suspicion this way, but it's even more odd when it comes from someone who staunchly proposes that when you suspect someone you should vote him (like here).
8. I had 4 votes before and Joe was trying to find something against me almost whole game and suddenly this forced you to come out with you suspicion?
9. You were boasting how you are following the game carefully, plus you mentioned your massive reread of nearly everything and yet you mentioned that you made reread shortly after that massive reread, plus you mentioned that you need to do reread of nmillar, also around the time you allegedly made reread of me. I think you are just faking pro-town activity.
10. Unvote, Vote Robbeasy In my opinion Rob slipped with his comments but if it doesn't get enough support, I can return to AFP.
Well just got a chance to look at this for the first time in couple days...I'm sorry guys that I haven't been able to stay up with things! It's finals week, so things have been crazy! But come Thursday I promise I will give a full account of myself, and go through and answer any and all accusations that have been brought against me!

(And I seriously hope nobody else jumps on the "lynch AFP" bandwagon before then, or I'm screwed :/ )
I've suddenly realised that I haven't posted for a few days; sorry about that. With the busy work schedule and GOG Secret Santa 2012 in full flow, it's been a bit more difficult than normal to have some quiet time to gather my votes in this game.

However, having said that, I'm starting to find myself agreeing with the people who have cast their suspicions on Robbeasy; I think I've sub-consciously been ignoring him in an attempt to move away from conflicts in previous games, but some of the comments against him do make sense, and I might be persuaded to renew that old rivalry again!

This has also brought me to looking more closely at people I've had rivalries with in the past, namely JMich, Rodzaju and Damnation (well, the last one is because it was N0x0ss that started the game). I haven't really found much of substance against any of them, but I'm sure I'll dig something up during my current re-read. :)

I still think Vitek is acting scummy, so my vote remains where it is for the time-being, but the opportunity to hammer Robbeasy may be too great to resist!
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JMich: will try to keep up
with deadline so close your vote is probably going to be pretty important soon. Hope you do have time but obviously there are more important things than forum mafia.


When Vitek puts it like that I don't know what else I can add to it. If Rob's not mafioso he's... well I dunno. If he's not mafioso I'll eat my hat.

Pazzer - I want to defend myself. Why's what I was doing attempting to form a bandwagon? From my perspective Vitek was inciting suspicion so I told everybody that he was inciting my suspicion and then voted for him. If everybody had voted for the same person you voted for would you think yourself scum?

I've got to go. I was just doing some research to see when Pazzer joined the Future Pilot Show, but ran out of time before I reached a conclusion. If he started it off then I am going to BE MIGHTY WIRED.
Nah I jest I'll be fine.
Hmmm, seems I got a bit confused with my earlier post. Somehow, I'd come to the idea that Robbeasy was closest to lynch. I guess it was just wishful thinking ...
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JoeSapphire: I've got to go. I was just doing some research to see when Pazzer joined the Future Pilot Show, but ran out of time before I reached a conclusion. If he started it off then I am going to BE MIGHTY WIRED.
Nah I jest I'll be fine.
Pazzer joined the AFP lynchwagon at Post 537. I think he was third of fourth on the wagon, but that is month old memory talking and there were some folks that jumped on and off the wagon over the weeks.

I started the A_Future_Pilot wagon at Post 270