Vitek - You pushed the lynch threat upon him and then make it seem like it is a bad thing; what is your thought process?

SirP - The only people you want in the endgame are people who you, on the first day, imagine will be trustable later? Why not all just self-lynch now?
Anyway don't lynch me for being confusing in the end game because I'm not.

Rob - LOOK Here at what Vitek has found! Explain yourself!

I remember now suspecting Robbeasy and then going off the idea because he dealt with pressure alright. But I suppose he could have learned since we made such a big deal of it in the other game. Perhaps this is a game of mass playstyle shift.
Anyway this contradiciton seems rather incriminating. Let's hear from Rob before I go on about it.
No actually.
unvote Vitek, Vote Robbeasy

I suspect it went (interpolated):
Joe: Rob why did you not say this earlier?
Rob: (Aside) Damn! I didn't say it earlier because I was hoping it would get Joe lynched.
(To Joe) It's perfectly simple: Nonensenonsensenonsense you see?
Joe: (Naïvely) Ah yes I see
Vitek: AHA!

Do you follow me? I present to the team a serious vote with a serious reason presented in an amusing style. Perhaps if I'd have thought about it earlier I would have forgone the theatrics; but now that I've typed it I'm loth to delete it. Hilarious as it is.

Anyway let me know if you're all going to gripe on about it.

All I said was that if you continued to be confusing I would find myself wishing we had lynched you when we had a chance. Anyway, I don't know that you won't be confusing then. If you know you won't be confusing later that suggests an element of control. If that's the case, why don't you not be confusing now?

Weekend is pretty full, but I'll be posting again when I get home tomorrow.

Well, not with confusing player but with lurker. In game 5 with Orry and it made endgame much harder. Since then, I was supporting exemplary lurker lynch and got it in game ... 10? (Hotel Hell) and it didn't work well as we switched to lurker from scum.

I can't say I support your position, though, because to me, it seems as possible excuse to vote someone. Yeah, I know I supported similar thign as town, but still I don't like it.

Anyway, it can't be really executed. It would be basically policy lynch, not based on scummy behaviour but on "eccentric" behaviour. And even if you are town, it is not good lynch as it can only hit mafia on random.

His statement caught my attention so I poked into it to see if he really means it or if it was just a sigh about your playstyle and when I learned he really means it, I expressed my distaste. I couldn't express it before, as it could influence his response.

Woah!
Where did I go?
I've been around, but dosed up on painkillers so it's been hard to concentrate too much.

Krypsen, I find it interesting that you are so confident about your ability to talk your way out of trouble. Perhaps it would be better not to get yourself into trouble in the first place?
Still, people seem to have bought it.
I still think you are scum, but I have no support at the moment so unvote krypsen.
The only other person I'd be happy to lynch right now, without any 2nd guessing is vote AFP

Deadline is in six days. Wooo.

I suppose it's time Our Future_Pilot gave us a claim? If he's not lynched already. Anybody want to do a votecount? I would condone this lynch (But by way of him being a new player I would sort of rather not.).

I'ld like to address the Rob thing before the day ends but maybe that's not going to happen. Day 2 eh?

Pilot, ready to tell us your role as given to you in your role message. Maybe just wait for somebody else to say that this is a good idea, don't just take my word for it but probably this is a good idea.
'mI right fellas?

But seriously guys Robb yeah? What's going on there?

This.

Like really, this.

Why does nobody, other than Joe, even care about it at all?
That's just not something that can be ignored and left unaddressed.

Obviously he was talking about Vitek (you) in one post and \/itek (your scammer counterpart) in the other posts.

Oh wait no, he just didn't make any sense. So yes, I'd like to hear from Robbeasy too.

Nah, I just like being a lightning rod for discussions too much. It is what I seem to always tend towards in these games. I throw out accusations, then heat gets put on me, and then I talk may way out of it. That is what makes the game fun for me; I like stirring up trouble and forcing confrontations. You might argue that this isn't good town play, or whatever, but I would totally disagree. In my opinion, anything that gets people talking and taking sides is good town play.

Seems like the right choice to me. For me, it is extremely pro-town to claim at L-2 or worse (which I think AFPis at currently?). Also, I am still waiting for A_Future_Pilot to make a post defending his actions as he said he would post a few days back.

As for lynching a newbie, I actually feel bad about it. The trouble is that I have to vote for the person whom I believe is most suspicious. I can't just ignore someone that is pinging my scumdar like a Geiger counter at Chernobyl, regardless of how many games they have, or haven't, played.

EBWOP

That second quote should have be attributed to Joe, not to Rod. Oops.

Also, I just did a quick and dirty unofficial vote count:

A_Future_Pilot (6): Vitek, SirPrimalform, Krypsyn, pazzer, Red_Baron, Rodzaju
Vitek (3): nmillar, A_Future_Pilot, Telika
Red_Baron (1): JMich
Robbeasy (1): JoeSapphire

AFP is closest to lynch at L-2.

Rodzaju also as a vote that was put on him by Ubivis, but I am assuming that NotFrenchYet would have removed that vote after he was replaced by TwilightBard as she did with Damuna and N0x0ss.

That reminds me. I would really like to get TwilightBard's impressions before this Day ends. Ubivis was that most inactive player, and it would be nice to get some sort of read on that character. So, if anyone hammers (or otherwise ends this Day prematurely) before he gets a chance to post, I will be miffed.

I follow you, Joe, and it is actually something interesting you're picking at here, so a reply from Robb would be good. And quite frankly, a lack of reply on this makes him a decent day 1 lynch.
Your way of approaching it with humour, however, is odd. It makes you appear as if you wish to shroud it in uncertainty and only push the matter if others join you in it - sort of fishing for it to be a good reason for a case.
It's a good reason in my opinion, but you way about it is not.

On the whole AFP, Krypsyn put it very well with his "Geiger counter at Chernobyl" metaphor (Seriously, I love that one :D). He really has made the most scummy plays, but he might just be showing his newbie-ism. Still, is being a newbie reason enough to save him? If he's a newbie mafia, he could easily be making the same plays as after all.

I'm willing to see either go, really - for that matter, there are nearly none I would not be willing to see go, actually, since you are all likely to be mafia

On a roleclaim, it might be a good idea, it has been known to save people from mislynches, but false claims have also been known to throw people off the scent.

Also, TwilightBard should have a chance to provide some input.

Oh yeah, thank you Joe, what would we do without you finding it? :-p

Interesting reaction - jealous that I only posted a reaction to Joe's recent movement on it?

I'm still doing my rereading (Sorry, I've been getting caught up trying to get some of the rest of my Christmas stuff baked and in the freezer), but I really do see AFP as probably the best lynch going forward. He's thrown out a lot of Wine in his posts with his attempts at trying to see every angle. It's lead to a lot of weird posts and things that aren't fully understandable for me. I mentioned a few previously, and still reading.

I haven't caught up completely to the stuff most people are talking about with Rob, but getting there, so I don't have much to say about it.

The rest are odds and ends. I didn't really read through the game as deeply as I might have if I was playing when I was observing, so that's the core part of the reread. Krypsyn and Damuna's stand/stood out, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, but I do think there's something there.

SPF's lynch talk about Joe seems...odd. We don't know if he's doing this just to mess with Mafia for day 1 or if this is going to be an ongoing trait. It still doesn't seem like a lynch we'd get much information out of though.

There was the wagon behind Vitek at one point, but I saw that at the time as more of a 'we found a mistake!! LYNCH HIM!' sort of thing that usually happens on Day 1. Catch-22 put votes on him as he tried to defend himself. Can't be sure of alignment, but I don't see the reasoning behind it.

(Yeah, this isn't going to have everyone, as I'm still reading, but there's something)

Yes, I never like to be ignored and you made it sound like Joe was the one to point out his inconsistency in reads.