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Krypsyn: They know that there was no sinister meaning behind the date comments that would involve both them and me being in collusion in some way, is what I meant. ...
You mean, they only know that you are not scumbuddies?

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SirPrimalform:
What is your opinion about Joe? After all, you know him best, so you should have more insight into his thinking.
Please say more than "I dunno".


I have small request to replacements. Could you, please, include your previous player's name into your forum title. I have trouble remembering who replaced who and this would help me. At least for some time. Thanks.
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Vitek: You mean, they only know that you are not scumbuddies?
Regardless of what roles we each have, those two would be the only ones that know for sure that we are not sending some sort of hidden code, or whatever. Scumbuddies wouldn't be the only option in this scenario; masons or lovers could also fit that circumstance (though not a cult, not on Day 1).

Since other people have brought up the possibility that there was some hidden agenda or collusion going on, I was merely stating that, other than me, Damuna/Red_Baron would be the only other person that would know for sure that this was not going on. This would necessarily color his/her opinions of people that accused Damuna and me of doing such things. So, this could be a reason why Damuna and Red_Baron have similar stances and behavior regarding me, if indeed they do.

Does that clarify what I meant by what I said well enough? I really wasn't expecting so much focus on that one statement. I thought I was pretty clear about what I meant. ;)
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Krypsyn: Regardless of what roles we each have, those two would be the only ones that know for sure that we are not sending some sort of hidden code, or whatever. Scumbuddies wouldn't be the only option in this scenario; masons or lovers could also fit that circumstance (though not a cult, not on Day 1).

Since other people have brought up the possibility that there was some hidden agenda or collusion going on, I was merely stating that, other than me, Damuna/Red_Baron would be the only other person that would know for sure that this was not going on. This would necessarily color his/her opinions of people that accused Damuna and me of doing such things. So, this could be a reason why Damuna and Red_Baron have similar stances and behavior regarding me, if indeed they do.

Does that clarify what I meant by what I said well enough? I really wasn't expecting so much focus on that one statement. I thought I was pretty clear about what I meant. ;)
Hmmm, masons with sinister intents...

I never saw some secret communication behind it, so I wasn't sure what you were saying. And it sounded to me, like you know they are town when they know there is nothing sinsiter behind it. And who would know they are town on day 1? :-)
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Vitek: And it sounded to me, like you know they are town when they know there is nothing sinsiter behind it. And who would know they are town on day 1? :-)
Ahh, no, I don't know know for sure what alignment they might. I do suspect they are town who are just as in the dark about my alignment, however. Robbeasy had asked me earlier why Red_Baron might be reacting similarly to Damuna with regards to me (don't have time to find the post, but it was recent), and this was a way for me to possibly explain it.
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Vitek: What is your opinion about Joe? After all, you know him best, so you should have more insight into his thinking.
Please say more than "I dunno".
The problem is "I really dunno", Joe is an enigma even to me. I also don't think I've actually played in a game with him before, so I'm not sure what his play style is like. =/
So I don't have any special insight and I think it makes more sense to forget I know him for the purposes of the game.

Honestly, he's so confusing that I wouldn't want to be in the end game with him, unless perhaps his play changes towards the end of a game. Even then, if he's been confusing up until then he'd be very hard to trust at the end of the game even if he's started being useful.

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Vitek: I have small request to replacements. Could you, please, include your previous player's name into your forum title. I have trouble remembering who replaced who and this would help me. At least for some time. Thanks.
Me too, I'm having trouble remembering who is Damuna and who is N0x0ss.
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JMich: Damnation
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Red_Baron: So since I started it: Damnation in his former form made the list due to the odd playstyle and the habit of proclaiming town alignments based on highly shaky arguments, some which makes no sense at all. Seemed to be a ploy to appear good, and as such I have seen it (a ploy).
He gets a 5/10 scum score.
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JMich:
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Red_Baron: Damnation was only on the suspect list due to his former souls playstyle.
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JMich: Do replacements change roles as well? Or do they keep their previous role? I was under the assumption that they kept the previous one, which means that if N0x0ss read like a scum to you, Damnation is a scum as well. Please correct me if I'm wrong, since this is a big part of the reason I am voting for you after all.
I'm fairly sure I have n0x0ss' role. So if n0x0ss pinged your scumdar, I should as well. Hey, n0x0ss even pinged my scumdar...

I'll just let you people know who I find the most scum:

A_Future_Pilot - either a newbie who has taken no interest in researching the game, or a he's scum. Many others have argued the same points I hold - in mostly his readiness to join Damuna in her desire to lynch Robbeasy, and he's seeming excessive damage control attempts.

nmillar - as I have mentioned, he plays a tad too familiarly with his style in mafia 9, where he turned out to be mafia. It's early in the game though, so I have no wish to really push him right now. He has performed exceedingly scummy behaviour when town before.

Damuna/Red_Baron - Damuna should come as no direct surprise I hope. She wanted to get out of RVS fast, and did so by attempting to pull at the structure of the game, slightly fishing for knowledge from other players. Now, she's not in the game anymore, and I cannot expect Red_Baron to argue for her actions, I will still hold her actions as indication that something might be off with Red_Baron. RB himself though... He argued he saw me as scum because of n0x0ss actions - were I to extend the same courtesey, I would see him hang right now :p He, himself, however, beat around the bush like there's no freaking tomorrow. Seriously, take any of his posts, read them, then strip away 90% of the sentences, keeping with the middle ones or one or two of the finishing lines and BAM, his entire point in far less the space. Ergo, his posts can only be made to confuse people.

That goes to many others though - if you write up a wall of text, read through it yourself at least twice first and see if you cannot make your point any shorter. Far too many of you beat around the bush for no fucking reason.

Also, it's day 1, the game has barely started, town knows shit, and some of you expect to get grand cases against each other already - that's quite interesting, I must say. Especially when you consider how Mafia 11 started out...
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SirPrimalform: Honestly, he's so confusing that I wouldn't want to be in the end game with him, unless perhaps his play changes towards the end of a game. Even then, if he's been confusing up until then he'd be very hard to trust at the end of the game even if he's started being useful.
So... you would like to lynch him?
Post.

Many posts at start of game seems to have turned into walls of text. Did I miss the memo that were going for longest mafia game thread ever.

Probably won't get caught up until things slow down over weekend. Will post read list then as well if only to try and make sense of things.
Oh I hate first day Mafia.

Always struggling to come up with anything that makes even a modicum of sense!

One thing - think about how the Mafia works. Any mafia player coming up with an attack on a town player WILL get support, at least from his scum-buddies.

So it follows that anyone who has put forward a theory or tried to start a bandwagon on this first day and failed miserably, has a larger chance to be a Town player (or at least non-Mafia).

Which also means I'm a bit more wary of quick bandwagons, but at the same time am aware we have to reach some sort of decision. Its just not bloody easy.

I still think Red_Baron (Damuna) is scum. Not done anything to move me from that position.

Currently high up the scum list are Krypsyn and Vitek. A_F_P hasn't helped himself on day 1 with a few dodgy posts, but I really do smell a Mafia led bandwagon targetting an easy lynch on a newbie first day.
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Robbeasy: I still think Red_Baron (Damuna) is scum. Not done anything to move me from that position.

Currently high up the scum list are Krypsyn and Vitek. A_F_P hasn't helped himself on day 1 with a few dodgy posts, but I really do smell a Mafia led bandwagon targetting an easy lynch on a newbie first day.
This made me go back and check your previous reads whether you are consistent in your reads or not and I found this:

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Robbeasy: I'm currently not getting much of a scummy vibe off Vitek at all - mind you I have been obsessed a bit with the Damuna / Krypsyn angle. I also need to look back at nmillar....ho hum, another reread required ;)

Off work next week, so will be able to devote a lot more time to this....!
and this (3 days of waiting for replacements passed in between):

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JoeSapphire: Robbeasy, did you voice your opinions on lists earlier in the game when Vitek was all "Joe, lists of mafia are way bad I want no part of it and hate you all for doing" and I was all "boohoohoo Vitek I'm sorry please help me somebody" and he was all "Raaaaar!" and I was all "eeeeeeeee!!"? DID YOU??
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Robbeasy: No I didnt Joe - sometimes a little rope is needed so people can hang themselves, but now you have so nicely pointed it out for all to see I will say I have been watching Vitek very closely and that amongst other things has pushed him right up my scum list.

I am in the process of compiling my list of reads - i was waiting for the third replacement before posting it, so as not to leave that third replacement with too much to go through - it shall be forthcoming sometime today or tomorrow..
Care to explain?
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SirPrimalform: Honestly, he's so confusing that I wouldn't want to be in the end game with him, unless perhaps his play changes towards the end of a game. Even then, if he's been confusing up until then he'd be very hard to trust at the end of the game even if he's started being useful.
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Vitek: So... you would like to lynch him?
Yeah, but more out of "I find you completely unreadable and therefore scary" than "I find you scummy".
Well, it's been so quiet that I'm trying to read back instead of just focus on what's going on right now...I'll try to be done this weekend (Or sooner).

Ummmmm, some notes from before I came in...I found Damuna's statistics weird. It seemed odd at the time to being them in and talk about post count for the game, words in there, and then use that when she had a bunch of posts that could easily have been considered fluff. I don't feel comfortable voting for Baron just yet because of it, but I am keeping my eye out for anything out of the ordinary.
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SirPrimalform: Yeah, but more out of "I find you completely unreadable and therefore scary" than "I find you scummy".
That's not too convincing reason to lynch someone...
Alive, though a bit ill, inactivity post.
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SirPrimalform: Yeah, but more out of "I find you completely unreadable and therefore scary" than "I find you scummy".
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Vitek: That's not too convincing reason to lynch someone...
It is as you approach the end of the game. Have you seriously never got to the end of the game with someone really confusing and wished they had been lynched earlier just to make things clearer? A confusing townie is still anti town.