Okay - finally get to take a break from the shit-storm that is RL work to pay this some attention....
And one thing sticks out - is anyone going to grow any balls?????!! (apologies to the ladies among us..;o)
Nearly everyone is tip-toeing around, trying not to offend anyone, keeping it all sweet. This, in my oppinion, is hwy we have been fecking awful at first day lynches so far on this site.
Look - Damuna, a newbie, comes out with a god-awful post about 'lynch me , cos i'm just a vanilla townie', and gets hardly ANY grief, which peters out after a couple of days!! Are we mad here folks??!! And on top of that, there's very obvious silence after, as Damuna realises she made a big mistake.
But hey - its ok ! Its first day, we'll trundle along happily and forget all about it.....don't use your vote! No...its the only weapon we've got, but we'll sit around and wait till last minute and get rushed into something stupid! Carry on blathering oh Mafia types!!!......get a grip people.
Think - if this had happened third, fourth day, we'd be all over it. Why should we be different first day?? Vote Damuna
- for me a big first day mistake from a newbie scum.
You're right that I have never played scum, but you have, and this is how you play it. Unvote NotFrenchYet, Vote Robbeasy
Doesn't mean I'm not suspicious of Damuna, though. Damuna, would you mind explaining very clearly why you asked to be lynched?
I already explained why I asked to be lynched - to end RVS. As you speculated in #261, though, I do have a hidden agenda: I was fishing for reads. I wanted to draw attention away from everyone else who was playing to encourage slips. With everyone focusing on me, it's easy for the Mafia to get overconfident.
Since my “lynch me” post, we've had a lot more coherent playing instead of RVS stupidity, and a much better paper trail to go with it. Even if it gets me lynched, which is still a possibility, I'll be able to know that I've helped the Town by baiting the Mafia into providing evidence we can use later. That said, I'd prefer not to get lynched, since we've already benefited - being lynched would remove suspicion from me conclusively, but it doesn't help us catch the Mafia.
Of course, I may be wrong about Robbeasy. I expect a mislynch for Day 1, but you try to learn from the mistakes you've made. Night 1 is so much worse, and the likelihood of two Town deaths make it something to not run into blindly. If we go into Day 2 without much information, that whips us into a frenzy which further damages our ability to think clearly, and then we start to run out of time. Ultimately, it's all about damage control: With so little to go on, it's important to make our Day phases count.
RVS is a waste of Day 1. As TwilightBard says in #176, the deadline is to be feared in Day 1, because an absence of strong reads means we're most likely to behave like headless chickens as it approaches. Day 1 has now been going for about a week and a half, and I'd be happy to keep it going until about about a week or half a week before the deadline, but not to the deadline itself. I've been lurking for a week, and I'm satisfied with how the game has progressed in that time.
Now that I am unlurking myself, I feel it prudent to address two of the main theories about my previous post:
* The "Damuna as jester" theory is amusing, but I'm going to have to shoot that one down. There may be a jester in this game, but if there is, it isn't me. Trying to pin someone as a jester is scummy, and claiming that we should lynch someone because
they seem to be a jester is craplogic.
* The "Damuna as Mafia" theory is more sensible - of course you lynch Mafia - but anyone pushing that theory based on the flimsy evidence available is setting themselves up as Mafia. Rob's carting of it in the manner he did is such an obvious scumtell that I feel comfortable voting for him.
As for my reads...
Definitely Town: Too soon to tell
Probably Town: NotFrenchYet, pazzer
Leaning Town: nmillar, Red_Baron, jefequeso, TwilightBard
Undecided: Vitek, PenutBrittle, SirPrimalform, xzyem, Detlik, QuadrAlien
Leaning Mafia: stoicsentry, Rodzaju
Probably Mafia: Damnation
Definitely Mafia: Robbeasy
I'll detail those reads later, but I don't think they're very useful for Day 1.
Having said all that, I'd like us to start discussing the set-up. Right now, I expect us to be just as clueless as the Mafia about how the game is set up. Most Town players will know who they are and Ryan Förster. Mafia players will know who each of the Mafia are, but who
they are could well implicate them. It's possible that Damnation has given the Mafia safeclaims, but we don't know that yet, and it's pointless to waste this opportunity.
If we do decide to massclaim(*), now is the best time to do it. I'm not sure if the Mafia will have been allowed to talk amongst themselves before the game - Zchinque told me it's common, but I didn't know that when I set up Mafia #2. What we do know is that they'll get to conspire during the Night phase, and that will put us at a disadvantage if we haven't already claimed.
There is very little we can gain at the moment by firing accusations at each other, but we can apply pressure on the Mafia by examining the game. Every discussion we have is already available for the Mafia to see, but if they haven't had a chance to talk to each other, we can catch them with their pants down.
In the interests of picking apart the set-up, I have two big questions I want to ask.
First: Are we all musicians? Ryan Förster was, but that doesn't mean the rest of us are. We could have a bouncer or a roadie, or even a member of the public among us. What does being vanilla Town mean theme-wise?
Second: What is your win condition? The sample PM given doesn't provide a Town win condition, so unless Damnation has informed the Mafia of it, they don't know it[/i]. As such, do not share this information yet: Demanding a win condition may be useful when someone is at L-1, but doing so too soon could cost us this weapon - let's see what else we can work out first. I would like to ask Damnation whether this would violate rule 10.
(*) Roleclaiming is an extremely bad idea at this stage, but we may be able to benefit from some theme details: Your name, whether or not you're a musician, and if you are, what band you're in and what instrument you use. A name claim should tell us everything else; a band claim gives us a potential list of who you might be; and an instrument claim tells us the least. If you aren't a musician, we have to ask what that means. Band claims and instrument claims have the potential to harbour scum, so I would be wary of trusting someone who gives limited information now. Names are solid, and I expect we probably have a flavour cop to check them for accuracy.
To start us off, here's my speculation:
1.We won't see band duplication in Townies unless they're masons - otherwise, we'd know each others' alignments.
2.I expect more than one drummer, and I'm not even sure that Ryan Förster's killer will be Mafia (serial killer?), or even a drummer himself.
3. The Mafia may be from the recording industry, or a band that's seen to have sold out - these are not mutually exclusive, however. Cary Sherman could be among us, and Lars Ulrich could be Ryan Förster's killer.
4.If we have a vigilante or a serial killer, they will probably be in a one-man-band or someone who hires backing musicians - Trent Reznor, perhaps. This might also fit with a jack-of-all-trades.
We need to find out whether the theme is important. Tomorrow, we'll have two more pieces of information about it, but so will the Mafia, and they will have had time to discuss covers.
I'd like a consensus before we start - we have 16 players, and it's likely we have 4 Mafia. Assuming no third party roles, that would leave us with 12 Town. As such, a number representing a majority of the Town seems most appropriate, such as 7. This of course assumes that no Mafia agree to claim, so we may want to consider 8 or 9 our target. Anyone who votes for a nameclaim is honour-bound to claim if there is agreement. Refusal to claim after supporting a movement to claim is grounds for lynching, and I will vote for anyone who backs out in this way.
To start us off, I support name-claiming, and will agree to claim first if there is consensus to claim. (Damnation, could you track support in your votecounts?)
In other news, I may be inactive for a few days, as I have just received some bad news. (I don't have time to review my post and look for anything I've forgotten to complete - if I have, please point it out and I'll fix it in a later post.)