Not got the time to do a full catch so just read last few posts. Will get to stuff I've missed later. Going to go ahead and Unvote as have some suspects now.

Damnation is an evil mod though just look at all the stuff he pulled in game 4. So I see including a jester and not telling us as something he might do.

Nmillar is pushing Vitek hard and looks to me like he's trying to make a case out of nothing. As it seems however Vitek has defend himself Nmillar has said it makes him look more mafia like.

Vote Nmillar

I was almost beginning to lean that way, until NMillar pointed out what he did in post 344. Now, I'm not so sure...

Just to make it look bit less evil, Rodzaju alway votes nmillar on day 1 and so he did here in first post of game so even nmillar should admit that vote can't seen as any kind of ploy. When Rodzaju backed me today I knew it's gonna bite me in the ass and even he admited it himself.

Although it's WIFOM, don't you think it would be even more ridiculous to vote that way as scumbuddies?

Finally!

Mentions he has suspects, but doesn't name any of them.

Strike 1.

Modding the mod.

Strike 2.

Jumping on a bandwagon that looks to be picking up steam safe in the knowledge that plenty of accusations have been thrown around about the first two people casting votes, who would then become the obvious suspects when the target flips town.

Strike 3; you're outta here!

Unvote Vitek. Vote pazzer.

Well seems to me like the whole argument between Vitek and nmillar doesn't really lead anywhere. Mostly just accusations targeting the other, with no real case other than the accusations behind them. Admitted though that one could see voting pattern, but as Vitek already said, the reasons for them don't really seem to be a plan of an overall scheme and if they were both scum I don't really see how two experienced players would do something that fairly obvious on purpose. On the other side of the argument I see pretty much nmillar doing what nmillar does: Find something by someone to pick on until it either lays an golden egg or is let of the hook. I don't really record the strategy to have worked of yet (I might easily just have forgotten if it has) and I can so far only recall on sure hit by nmillar, where he was himself the scum. There however he didn't really seem to do that much of his aim, shoot and risk missing tactic. Meaning I have him down as leaning town as well.

Haha - if I could have a quote for a signature I would be considering that one - Damn nice post :D
Can't really say much about the we've, its semantics yet impossible for me to explain other than I tend to use that even when referring to myself when talking about an object/event of unified interest. But thats real life, dunno if I do it when I write. Hmm oh well, maybe I'll notice it if I do it again. And yes, the moment :D

One thing though, whats the penut vote your talking about?

Pre-post edit: Why doesn't GOG auto update :( Anyway a new development! Pazzer appears to have sprung into some trap nmillar was playing? I can follow the first "strike", slightly the second "strike" (Though I wouldn't call talking about a mods habits for modding the mod?) and strike 3 I am not even sure I understand. I see the jump on wagon idea, but whats the part about two people casting votes and the obvious target? Am I correct when I interpret it as saying that he votes for you because if you turned town then Vitek/Rob would be targets due to taking part in the initial argument/voting?

Side note: Damn a lot of stuff happens while busy at study/training - Good thing its worth the reading.

That's funny as I voted for one of them.

If by that you mean trying to work out the set up of the game then yes. As I think that can be helpful. I agree with Rodzaju I think it was who said there's probably 4 mafia in this game.

Your ignoring the bit where I said I'd only read the last few posts. I have around four pages worth to get caught up on. Assume it's in there were all these accusations are. Along with the bandwagon picking up steam. At the time of my vote I had no idea about any of that.

Huh 4 mafias? Where was that mentioned. And how did that information come to light?

Not sure I like that argument of yours - In general I always make sure to read from where I left of before posting. Saying one wasn't aware of the current game while at the same time voting, doesn't really work as an excuse.

Hmmmm, I haven't had much to add, rereading now, but noticing something.

@Nmillar: Since I haven't seen you comment on this at all, what do you think of what Damuna said?

Ditto, actually.

Points 1 and 2 in nmillar's case against pazzer are as thin as the one against Vitek, if you ask me... Point 3 IS interesting, and I agree with Baron that it's a bit odd to vote for someone (who already has votes) without reading the latest developments properly. Especially on D1 when every post counts...

@Rodzaju: any other suspects besides nmillar?

@Baron: Jefe's weird vote for Penut was #209 and the unvote was #232. And I agree with you that semantics are a really terrible way to scum hunt, especially when not everyone is a native speaker.

I don't like it at all; it's either a very bold mafia strategy or, as other people have mentioned, a jester. It's also possible that Damuna has decided she doesn't really have much interest in the game and has decided to sacrifice her (possibly vanilla) role to help get the game moving. This last point is backed up by the fact she hasn't posted very much in the last few days.

I'm really concerned about Damuna.
Her "why not lynch me" thing just stinks.
She has soft claimed town vanilla.
Town should NEVER go quietly without a fight as every town death increases the chance of mafia win.
Her reasoning (It's better to lynch a vanilla than risk a power role) doesn't hold up.
If you are that convinced that you won't hit a scum, go for nolynch.
However, as she seems to want to get lynched, I suspect a trap of some sort (Can't see what there is to gain, but....) I don't want to give her what she wants.

Other than that, I'm always suspicious of lurkers and we currently have too many of those.

It was me who suggested 4 scum (in post 193).
Pure assumption based on the standard 25%.

That would be correct. Admittedly, the first two points I made are fairly weak arguments again, but the third point I think is a pretty strong case.

I wonder how many mafia votes on existing band-wagons have appeared at spot 3 in previous games? I might have to investigate this over the weekend.

Ah thanks - And I see the reasoning (Guess I am just too used to the 3 mafia thing to actually think about why its 3 mafias :P)

Hang on, isn't it you that normally accuses me of being "in the know" when making that assumption? o_O

Is it time to throw in the multiple mafia theory too?