Well it was certainly not what I had expected to see after I returned from the beach, but oh well - apparently others found my rather unscientific method a worthy deduction?

Well I'll be looking forward to see what happens now - maybe we still have a chance despite Twilightbards prophecy.. Would be typical if it was really Krypsyn I should have gone for and relied more on my own feeling instead of the reverse of it - His quick chance to Twilightbard seems to support that idea - But too late now.

Here's how I can say that without worry. To be fair, you DID hit Mafia. Just not the one you NEEDED to hit. I'm Baz's partner in the Non-Hammer Mafia. Unless we've all been wrong about there being a second mafia...you pretty much eliminated the only thing keeping the game from ending <.<.

It's kinda funny how fast the lynch went through though, 8 hours, I was asleep for most of it, and really there wasn't much discussion or anything. There really was plenty of stuff there, but I guess in the end I'm not really surprised by this.

I was surprised. Not that you flipped scum; I had been fairly sure of that since Day 3 (or Day 2... whenever I joined this game in my first incarnation). The only time I doubted it was when Bazilisek flipped scum (did not see that coming) and then SirPrimalform came out with that 2-mafia theory that made him seem really guilty to me. However, I was surprised that Rodzaju switched his vote from me to you so quickly. I honestly thought it would come down to 2 votes on me and 2 votes on you, with SirPrimalform as the deciding vote.

Eh, why did I delete this?

I proably panicked for moment.

Votecount

Twilightbard - 3 - Rodzaju, Kryspyn, Red_Baron

Not voting: SirPrimalform, Twilightbard

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Twilightbard has been lynched.

Final scene

Sorry, there was final scene here before but I deleted it and, sorry, I am too tired to write it again.
In short: You lynched Twilightbard, he was Piotr "Peter" Wiwczarek, guitarist and vocalist of Vader (Nonhammer Metal Mafia Ascetic).
You want to go home but Red_Baron (MC Hammer, solo artist (Nonmetal Hammer Mafia Jack-of-all-trades)) kills Rodzaju with stone. He was Lemmy Kilmister, bassist and vocalist of Motörhead (Town Doctor).
After this happened SirPrimalform (K. K. Warslut, guitarist and vocalist of Deströyer 666 (Town Vanilla)) gets stabbed by antenna into his eye. Kryspyn (Brian May, guiarist of Queen (Nonmetal Hammer Mafia Role Cop)) killed him.

The GOGhammer festival is cancelled and next year only non-metal bands will get invitation, thanks to convincing arguments made by Kryspyn and Red_Baron.

The game is over!!! Non-metal mafia has won. Congratulations to Kryspyn and Red_Baron.


Sorry for this. I posted the end scene and immediately panicekd the game can be still save by town. Then I realised that mafia knows Rodzaju is doctor and would kill him anyway so there was no chance for successful protect. So there was no reason to prolong it.

It was surpisingly short day. SirPrimalform didn't even get to post yet.
It could last night but there was nice twist when Rodzaju protected mafia, Twilightbard, and saved him from non-metal mafia kill. This disallowed them to take control of game yet. :-)

I have a question, Rodzaju. Why did you vote someone you protected only short time ago?

This was my question as well. I was pretty sure he had blocked Red_Baron's nightkill on TwilightBard, so I was surprised when he swapped his vote from me to TB so quickly.
It isn't that I didn't bother, it is that I thought I had a very real chance of getting lynched if I didn't just throw a vote on your bandwagon ASAP. It was sort of a Hail Mary type thing; to put pressure on you before people had a chance to really think about it. Besides, I spent days making cases against you that nobody ever listened/replied to ;). That is something we can agree on, the inactivity sucked much of the fun from the game. At the end of the previous Day, it was pretty much just you, me, and Red_Baron (AKA the Mafiates) talking.

Well see we jumped right to the end :) No need for me to appear worried then, but oh well we did also need to end that game. Amazing how stale it became. I myself feel that I do bear some of the blame for being absent in periods during that time, but I was also online and checking in many cases, but quite simply not much happened. One could make a case, two/one arguments would appear if lucky and then nothing else really.

I was also quite surprised when TwilightBard wasn't killed, but well the lynch took case of it. Thanks for the play to all and to Krypsyn, it was very nice indeed to actually get a scum buddy that talked :D

Oh and now where I can edit posts: Thanks to Vitek for taking over and allowing us to finish.

DAMN KRYPSYN!!

I initially had Twilight pegged as town, that was why I protected him.

Then krypsyn dropped a cop-like hint.
So I thought I had it the wrong way round & Krypsyn was town.
I was slightly embarrassed that I might have protected a scum, so decided to correct this.
Turns out they were both scum!

To be fair, I don't think Town had a chance in hell of winning after Day 3. Even with Baz killed there was just too many people being replaced or being quiet. Catching me was something that would eventually happen, a scan back would give enough evidence to make up something, especially with all of the replacements.

But, I have to say, the town played HORRIBLY. Day 2's lynch should never have happened. I still don't know if I should have laughed that I managed to get a power role lynched, or cried that I actually managed to BS my way through that with very little evidence and a house of cards for a case.

Which brings me to something else. Day 2's fairly massive back and forth between me, Baz, Stoic, and NFY. Everyone else was really quiet, and that was fairly disconcerting. I had honestly given up at that point and started going through the motions even when Day 2 was coming to an end.

Baz took control of Day 3 right out from under the town, and hindsight does make it look like a pretty good protection of me. I was kinda surprised that people jumped on GoJays and Stoic when I made mention to GoJays being alive still. And considering I never targetted him. Wow, that's usually a pretty major scumtell.

As far as moderating, I'm kinda disappointed on how Damnation wasn't around to poke and prod. This game was huge in that rule being forgotten and ignored, and it suffered from it. I did like the flavour (although it was a bit gory at times), and the general feel.

The roles...honestly, I remember me and Baz sitting and wondering where the power was for the town, and in that regard, the town did feel like it was underpowered. My own role...I couldn't figure out how to spin it. I really would have been caught in a mass claim because I quite frankly had a really strange power that only benefits the Mafia.

Ummmmm, I'd like to thank Baz for not telling me to shove it when I started bitching, and apologize there, I really was getting frustrated in Scum chat.

I had more, but honestly...I can't remember it all, I'll probably look more later on though. If someone remembers a topic I mentioned to mark, tell me.

What power did you have Twilightbard? Personally I was the sole person killing on my team with one exception when Krypsyn joined - initially because Jef disappeared and then the cop ability Krypsyn/Jeff had was most useful.

I was a Jack of all trades, with a bunch of protecting abilities and some of them that both protected and blocked. Not entirely sure what purpose they would have served.

I did have some fun with being MC Hammer and the temptation to drop hints about it was huge. I should also say that I kinda played a bit on the more quiet side due to me being scum and knowing another killer was around, so it was not solely a case of absentees though I always tried to make an effort into making posts to explain votes and show activity, I did make less then I guess I would have if I had been town.

And yea, town play was kinda of odd really.. Though it did make it harder for me to pin our opponents since so many seemed to be working in scum favor instead of town :D Should be said that at one point we were discussing if we should kill Baz and roleblock TwilightBard or the reverse.. and ended up killing GoJay's. Funny enough Baz was suggested by Krypsyn as a pro-town hence scum would likely kill him :P In the end I see that our scum chat hinges a lot on Kryspyn doing some good spots of people (Mayhap not for judging them scum, but still right and I went more for the safer options).

My ability was basically a reverse roleblock. I could prevent blocks, protection, trackers....except another nk. Which is fine...but I have no way of spinning that, there's no way to make it sound townie. Getting blocked twice didn't help me much with anything useful, although considering you were my Night 1 target, I think you got off lucky, depending on what flavour I would have gotten.

I really think we need to stop going for obscure stuff for roles and setups. Focus on themes, and when we build a larger group (If we still HAVE a group at this point), we can do a side game with an oddball setup. They're fun on occasion, but, they're fairly hard and tough to play through, and they're not really newbie friendly, which is what we need.

Too early! Just four more days and you'd get a visit from our very own Gogfather, congratulating you on the incredible game that took half a freaking year. I was looking forward to that.

Anyway, I'm glad this is over. There's nothing to analyse; it was, frankly, terrible. By the time the same-game replacements started, this thing was no longer salvageable (and while it was actually me who suggested this practice here on GOG way back in the cursed M6 game, I now think it should not be used even in the extremest of cases, because it makes the game unplayably confusing). So huge thanks to Vitek for at least pushing the thing to the final destination; it's a great relief.

I actually dropped several hints about your role in posts. Granted my entire first post was to let Red_Baron know what role you were, but then I decided I might as well drop hints to you. My first was when I said I wouldn't vote to lynch you because "you would do no harm to town willingly", which was, I hope, a subtle allusion to the Hippocratic Oath. The second was the one referencing brain surgery maybe not being a challenge for you, which is the one you seem to have picked up on. I mainly just wanted you to pull your vote off me out of uncertainty, I wasn't expecting the immediate switch of lynch votes.

I wasn't around on Day 2, but if you remember on Day 3, when I was a Vanilla Town, that little exchange actually made me peg you, Red_Baron, and Jefequeso as leaning scum. Admittedly, when I first joined the game, NFY was my target, but when she made me reread, it all became clear. Too bad my insights got me killed by Red_Baron that Night

I'd have to look back, but didn't I call you on that? I know I bashed on you a lot for sitting on the sidelines and not sticking your neck out, but I don't remember if this was one of the times. I fully admit, though, that Bazilisek had me completely duped during the whole Day.

While I agree town may have been a little on the weak side, had certain town players played differently, town may have fared better. Off the top of my head: 1) Had NFY1 roleclaimed towards the end of Day 3 before getting hammered instead of after, I know I would have pulled my vote off her immediately; 2) Had QuadrAlien actually been active, since having a Doctor doing his job may have saved town some heartache.

I had a deathpost all planned for my guy. It was going to be a string of Queen's greatest hits. Something like: "I think I'm going slightly mad, but who wants to live forever anyway? No matter, my scumfriend(s) will rock you!". I would have fun with it, in any event.

As for laying low, I think it was the right plan. Especially after I rejoined that game has your scumbuddy. I felt I had to play consistently to how I had played as a vanilla town earlier in the game, so I invariable became a lightning rod later on. It was not exactly how I would have wanted to play it, but I was able to milk my prior pro-town status a little so I think it balanced.

It is amusing to me that I actually had decent reads on 3 of the four scum as a vanilla town, but the one I thought was the most pro-town, while playing as scum, ended up being the fourth mafia member. Like I menioned on Day 3 (I think), if Bazilisek's play had one fault, it was that it was almost too pro-town.

Ironically all it would be needed to vastly improve town chance to win would be your shot of Red_Baron or Kryspyn instead of Robbeasy tonight. If you killed one of them, there would be only 1 mafia on each team and so mafia could win only if they take town number down to 1.
And if Rodzaju would protected someone else than you on top of this, it would be 3 towns versus 1 mafia. And town would have living doctor and tracker. No-lynch, doctor protects tracker (tracker was claimed), and tracker has fairly high chance to track the right target.
Robbeasy even knew Kryspyn visited Rodzaju last night so if you'd kill Red_Baron they would be screwed.
So it was you, who paved other mafia road to victory last night. :-)

Biggest problem of this game was inactivity and the fact most people didn't care. Why the hell were people so inactive this game? As was mentioned doctor could help town if he was active and it's true. I searched through night action files Damnation sent me and it seems Quadr and NFY(was she doctor during night too) ever submitted only 1(!) night ation, protection of Detlik on day 1.
I repeated this about caring several times and I still stand for it. In this (and G12 too), people just ignored what other people were doing and it destroys the game. They don't comment on cases of other people unless it involves them and it just can't be played this way. Even if you just say someone's case is bullshit and he should drop it, it's better than just ignoring it. I know most of people who would read this were fairly active so I adress it to wrong audiece but still...

And it was Damantion's fault too. He became inactive as well and inactive mod leads to inctive players. I am glad he made this game, and that he handled it over to me to finish it and I respect that he has a lot of works and mafia was low priority for him, but he should just announce it and either hand over modding to someone else (I offered myself before and I think Joe would be willing to do it too.) or scarp it if he don't want to follow it anymore. It would be better than just leaving the game and leave players in uncertainity and allow them to lurk as they want.