Well the main problem in my opinion seems to be that your not going to give your new thoughts are you? - Well you said you had some more and you complain often enough that people aren't posting stuff.. Well there you have one of my prime reasons for voting you ;)

Also I am back from vacation and back in action. Not to mention yes, my vote stays as it is and there we have the general problem: Vote stuck situation to put it that way. Some are convinced of Rob and other on Krypsyn. Frankly speaking I haven't seen something since my last post to move my mind - if anything I became more convinced. So no - I am not for ending the game - I am simply for getting the thoughts Rob said he would post - ignoring the fact that Stoic and NFY is still absent you said you already had them hence be able to post.

My vote remains... Could others just post their vote and if it remains or could be changed with good convincing/more thoughts on the table. I admit that I have a thing for Krypsyn as well, so if Robs thoughts turn out to be really really an eyeopener I might just be convinced. But other than that what is there to do? I don't personally have more thoughts than already said. So why not at least get those we were promised?

I am not voting for anyone currently, but that was mainly because I took my vote off Robbeasy until the inactive folks could get involved. As far as he is concerned, my vote for him is exactly like yours; unless someone brings new information to light, my vote is as good as on him.

Actually, I am tired of waiting for the people that are MIA to voice opinions:

Vote Robbeasy

I don't really have any other good suspects. I did mention in a previous post that I would vote for stoicsentry to avoid a no-lynch. This would also apply to NFY, since she is nearly as MIA as stoic at this point. But, both of these votes would only be as a last resort, and in the event that there is no other viable choice. I would still rather lynch someone who is active and who can actually hurt town directly.

As far as reads...I'm still pretty suspicious of Stoic, but again, he's been quiet and even with his one post there hasn't been much contribution.

I'm kinda disappointed that Rob didn't post the thought that he said he would a few days ago, and instead seemed to forget about them. Even something small might have ended up being a complete game changer or given us a new perspective on things.

Other then that, nothing's really changed since I put up my reads. This is really bothering me about the state of the game.

OK - my thoughts....

First up - Krypsyn. Robust defence and unswerving town type behaviour has led me to soften my stance on him completely - even under a lot of pressure from me he has been nothing but logical in his own defence. And in his suspicion of me I suppose but I play the game in the belief that if you dont take a few risks you get nowhere - and we as town have got exactly nowhere so far.

Unvote Krypsyn

As for others, Red_Baron and TwilightBard are main suspects , but that doesnt mean a whole lot when we have players MIA

Not much I can say about the suspicion at this moment. But I do have something a bit more disturbing. I did check the votes...there are only 4 lynchable people with the numbers that we have: NFY, Stoic, Primal, and Krypsyn. Kyrpsyn's only there because Primal has left his vote on there from what I've seen (Unless I'm blind, but if Primal did remove his vote, cross Krypsyn off the list). Our only other available option, is to nolynch and pray....I'm really not liking this setup right now.

I think he left the vote on me, but he was thinking of moving his vote to Robbeasy in a post a week or so ago (Post 1728). That was the whole reason I removed my vote from Robbeasy (in the post two below that one, 1730); I didn't want anyone placed at L-1 without more discussion. At this point 'more discussion' seems like a pipe-dream, so I decided to just put my vote back on Robbeasy a couple posts ago.

Yeah, I'm starting to worry about the outcome of this too. Only reason I mentioned you on the list is that you'd have 4 votes without having to vote yourself. Baron, Rob, and myself would have to vote to lynch ourselves to get the numbers needed. That kinda disturbs me. If it were, having to discuss and persuade, I could live with that. The number of people limiting us, bothers me.

Ok, unless one of our inactives comes back in the middle of the night, I think we're in major need of something. An event, whatever.

Vote Nolynch

At this point, we're not going to agree on anything. Activity has dropped, and it's going to just make it harder to actually lynch an active person (Unless anyone really thinks Krypsyn is worth lynching, if so make your damn case already). I refuse to vote for NFY since she really hasn't done anything worth voting, and we've known about her break. Primal...hasn't really done anything worth voting, and his inactivity means we learn nothing. Stoic...I'm more reasonably aimed to vote for, but his inactivity means we learn nothing.

This leaves us, with Rob, Baron, and myself to lynch, and that would require the lynchee to vote himself out of the game effectively. Since town is sorta screwed if a townie gets lynched, I don't foresee this happening, and there's no way in hell Mafia would really vote to lynch themselves. You either have one faction with one person who isn't going to give up, or another faction that wouldn't want to lose their advantage.

So, that leaves me with my one course of action, a nolynch vote. I hate giving away the lynch...but again, our choices are limited and our ability to make a good decision is pretty much clouded due to inactivity.

Oh, just an extra thing. My vote isn't set in stone, but if you want to convince me, make a case, make a real good case as to why I should throw my vote out. Gonna see if I can make some cases against everyone just to have something to discuss, but at this point, I think we're at a standstill.

Well, you should know how I feel about wasting lynches by now. However, the way this game is heading, I can't really fault you for bringing it up. The way I see it, there are a few directions we can take for this game;

1) We ask the Damnation to mod-kill the inactives. This would make it easier to make a lynch today, since we would need fewer for a majority. However, I suspect this would help scum more than town.

2) We could just kill one of the inactives, but I object to that for the same reason as in option 1. However, it wouldn't be tantamount to an instant game-over for town, like I think mod-killing inactives might be. It would also make the game move faster by getting rid of non-voters, and would raise the probability of scum night-killing each other during the Night.

3) You guys could vote for me. I hate to say it, but it isn't a bad option. At least with me you'd get voting history and debate to go by. Now, let me go on record as stating that I don't want to get lynched, but it is an option that shouldn't be ignored by the rest of you.

4) We could No Lynch. I don't like it on principle, but the longer this Day drags on, the more I am tending to want to do this just to move the game along. Maybe it is even a good option; maybe we will get lucky and a scum or two will die during the Night.

5) We could ask Damnation to set a deadline, like he has done on previous Days. I suspect it would end up the same as a No Lynch, but it might get some of the MIA folks to post. It might be worth a shot.

The only one I would strenuously object to is Option 1, but the rest of them are reasonably pro-town, or at least neutral, given the state this game is in. I am obviously not a fan of Option 3 either, but it is a far cry better than Option 1, imho.

I choose to go for Option 5, and I will leave my vote on Robbeasy.

*sigh* Did it again. I stared at my post for quite a while, and I didn't notice my logic error until seconds after I posted.

The last part of this makes no sense. I was assuming that we would either get an inactive scum with a lynch, or that we would lynch an inactive town and force scum to pick among a smaller percentage of town targets and Night. However, scum probably wouldn't have targeted them at Night anyway; they would get better mileage from killing off active players for obvious reasons.

All this would do is potentially lower the lynch requirement Tomorrow and perhaps kill off an inactive scum; inactive scum can't hurt us. On the other hand, lowering the vote requirement would make the game go faster at the cost of potentially giving scum an easier time manipulating the lynch-vote.

Given the way this game is going, it still a fairly neutral pick. But, it isn't as good as I thought in my above post.

The problem is, the only inactive that is available for posting is Stoic. I highly doubt SPF and NFY are sitting in the wings, that would be poor form. I really think they're just doing other things in a venue that doesn't allow them good internet connections and the time to get on. 5 as an option doesn't work unless it was a case of people simply being inactive.

1....Honestly my feelings for this are, if we mod-kill an inactive, that should end the day. Multiple should definitely end the day.

2 doesn't work for me, Stoic's the only one I'm willing to vote, and even that makes me a bit...uneasy. I want the defense, it gives voting history so much more depth.

I'm not convinced enough to vote for you right now...I got something I Wanna try first but right this second I'm not certain.

How much longer do you want to give them then? NFY and stoicsentry haven't posted in the thread more than once in over a month, iirc, and SirPrimalform seems to have dropped of the face of the Earth as well. I am all for letting them come back when they are ready, at least in theory, but how much longer are we willing to let this game stalemate while we wait? Agreed. I actually hate the idea of double-modkilling and think it would destroy what fun there is left in the game. If it comes down to this option, I would actually prefer Damnation just tell everyone all the roles and call the game a draw. No, I don't want that either.

As for a single modkill, I would rather town be forced to pick someone rather than the mod flipping a coin on an inactive. To me it is little different than my Option 2, in any case. Yeah, I was basically addressing the stoicsentry option you had mentioned. I just made it more general to include NFY, and possibly SirPrimalform. I am not really in favor of it either. I actually can't decide if I like lynching an inactive or lynching nobody less. Well, I hope it works. I don't relish the idea that I'll be lynched just because I am the only 'viable' lynch. Though, I was on bandwagons that did it to other people on previous Days, so I suppose I can't get too indignant if it happens to me this time.

Yeah...That's the problem I'm having. It's frustrating, and it's difficult. I mean, we can lynch them, but I think we lose something from not having the defense. It makes it more difficult to get good reads. But on the other hand it's a chance in hell of hitting Mafia, and next day we have a chance to be able to actually run it as we want.

Yeah, that would make the most sense at this point.

I can report on this and at least say what my idea is. I was planning on using the weekend to go back in the thread and try to make cases against EVERYONE playing. Due to computer problems...I wasn't able to get it started, but I might as well start rereading now. The idea was, if I read back enough and tried making cases against everyone, eventually I'd get something that makes enough sense to be able to put some proper pressure down.