That there is a Mafia group that does not affiliate themselves with the Hammer Festival? Honestly, that is all it tells me. With meta-game knowledge on Damnation's naming schemes from a prior game (i.e Mafia #4) it also might suggest that we have two Mafia groups. Regardless, I think most of us agree that we are dealing with a 2-person mafia faction and another 1-person scum group (either mafia or SK) at this point. Is that what you are getting at? If not then please elaborate, because I am lost. :)

A strong possibility, but what leads you to this conclusion in preference to other alternatives?

The "Computer Ablaze" votecount

Krypsyn - 2 - Robbeasy, SirPrimalform
Robbeasy - 1 - Krypsyn
TwilightBard - 1 - Red_Baron
stoicsentry - 1 - TwilightBard

Voting (5): Krypsyn(2), Robbeasy, SirPrimalform, Red_Baron, TwilightBard
Not voting (2): NotFrenchYet(2), stoicsentry

Krypsyn is closest to lynch at L-2.
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Voteactions:
Krypsyn votes TwilightBard.
Krypsyn unvotes TwilightBard.
Krypsyn votes SirPrimalform.
Robbeasy votes Krypsyn.
SirPrimalform votes Krypsyn.
Krypsyn unvotes SirPrimalform.
Krypsyn votes Robbeasy.
Red_Baron votes TwilightBard.
TwilightBard votes stoicsentry.


Mod Message: I hope you can follow the game a bit still, NFY, but if not, I completely understand ;) As per the missing player, stoic, I'll get him prodded. For those of you wondering about my absence the last week, it's tied to the title of this vote count - my computer has broken down thanks to the CPU producing far too much heat (We're talking about 90 degrees when idling), so been in slight distress about getting extra workshifts to afford a new one.

Right... post!

If our assumptions are correct, there 4 townies left.

After myself, I think the other three townies are... Stoic (I'll get to this in a minute), Twilight Bard and... I'm not sure.

I think least likely to be town are Krypsyn and maybe Robb. I get the impression Krypsyn's u-turn on me was because he realised that he was beginning to look scummy. I also get the feeling that the thing between Krypsyn and Rob was a distancing tactic (and possibly an attempt on Rob's part to buddy up).

I don't know, I'm just spouting hunches because the game is dead.

Just another comment of sorts from me... I have of course a vacation coming up in one day and this shortened week I been home have been polluted with a lot more stuff than I originally planned. But I promise to get around writing a bunch more thoughts down before going to Spain and also I hope to have some sort of access to the web so I can follow along still..

One thing I have meant to do it: unvote twilightbard as h acted just as the intention was and with a post I found quite reasonable (along with the whole roleblock issue).

About suspects and all I will post tomorrow.

I agree with half of that statement.

*sigh* I feel like a broken record. No, the reason I u-turned on you is that you finally gave me a solid reason for you believing there are two mafia groups instead of the usual one mafia and one SK that most Mafia games employ. That was all I asked for, to begin with, and I only raised the heat on you when you wouldn't give me what I felt was a firm answer. Rest assured, had you not provided meta-game flavor data from Damnation's previous game, I would still have my vote on you.

Funny, I was the first one to mention that I felt that Robbeasy was trying to buddy up with you in one of my replies to your posts. If Robbeasy and I are really on the same scum-team, I think that I shot each of us in the foot. The truth is that I really think Robbeasy is scummy, hence he as my vote currently.

Well, it isn't exactly dead, I don't think.

The trouble is that we most likely have 3 scum and 4 town left. We also have two people, stoicsentry and NotFrenchYet, that haven't posted much, if at all, Today. As I have stated previously, a No-Lynch Today would really harm town. So, let us assume one of either NFY or stoic is scum (just using unweighted probabilities here), that would mean that we only have 3 people active that actually want a lynch today. Even if all four town players are active, getting us all to agree on one lynch target, especially in this game, might be hard.

I think there are a few players that are content to just let us chase our tail looking for targets, while they just idly wait for tome to run out.

Good deal. Even if you do get really busy while on vacation and can't post much (or at all), putting your thoughts down before you go will at least give us something more to go on.

This is getting ridiculous - posting has returned to once every few days.

Right - lets get some stimulation going.....

I am going to full claim - i see no reason not to, as we are dribbling along at a miserable pace here..

I am known as Akhenaton, sole member of Judas Iscariot.
I am the Town Tracker.

One of the main reasons I'm doing this is because of the odd occurence...

First night i tracked Vitek - according to flavour, I watched him for most of the night, and he was soundly sleeping in his tent.
Yet - he turned up dead the next morning.

Second night - due to outside RL reasons, i didnt put in a target. Apologies.

Third night - i tracked Bazilisek, and learned that he targetted GoJays with an ability.
Yet - he turned up dead the next morning.

Obviously Baz was the killer of GoJays, but i find it odd that everyone i track turns up dead the next morning...

I've been waiting to see if anyone would make any slips, but as my tracking info is rendered pretty useless by the fact the person i track is dead next day, plus the fact we are getting roughly one post a day nad at least two inactive players, Im waiting in vain.

OK - thats me. I dont care if you think this is a scum move, im prerpared to defend myself - its not usual practice for Town, but im trying to stimulate the game here.

If you think my targets and results are very handy in that they cant be disproved - then ask yourself , would you have come up with those if you were making it up?? I couldnt pick two worse people to make me look like scum....

The choice is yours people. Make of it what you will....

Well, if you are telling the truth, then you probably will not survive the Night. At this stage of the game a Tracker is a huge town weapon; a lucky night-target could very well make or break the town. What you have done is come forward with a role-claim with no good information for town to use, no way for town to confirm your story, and made yourself a solid night-kill target for all scum.

This type of action might make sense, in my mind, if you are mafia and you feel that you will be reasonably safe by making a fake pro-town role-claim. However, then I start thinking of the WIFOM implications. Why would a scum come forward now with a risky role-claim, with very little pressure on him? I don't get it.

This whole role-claim doesn't make sense, unless you really do feel this is the only way spark more conversation. I don't even know if this makes you scum or town; I see reasons for anyone, regardless of faction, to want to speed this game up at this point. All I know is that this role-claim is very anti-town, because I don't see any way that such a role-claim can actually help town win this game.

Keeping my vote on you, because I honestly don't know what to make of this role-claim. I am the only vote on you currently and you are in no danger of get speed-lynched for this, so I figure I'll just go with my previous instincts for now.

Agree its seen as an anti-town move, as i already said. I've stated my reasons for doing it, do as you will.

Yes, its purely to try and spark some game interaction.

I know the info is useless - its one of the reasons ive taken the risk. I have painted a big target on my back, yes.

Would a Mafia player really make a move like this at this point in the game, with things as they are, with the game having no interaction or posts, and knowing all they had to d was sit there and the game is theirs??

No no and no.

I'm loving how you couch your phrases in such a way as to appear reasonable, while pushing hard to make me guilty.

'This type of action might make sense, in my mind, if you are Mafia....'

You are trying SO hard to take advantage without appearing too eager. I actually thought it would take longer and be harder to draw you out. Your whole post is putting across all the reasons i must be scum, without any thought to really why I've done what i've done. The one sentence you concede I just might be trying to get the game moving, you still qualify by stating how anti-town it is. Which I had already conceded in my original post.

Vote stands on Krypsyn

So, I call you out on your anti-town play, and you get mad at me for it? You even admit you are being anti-town! Acknowledging your anti-town play in advance (on concurrently, as the case may be) doesn't absolve you from it, it actually makes that premeditated anti-town play even worse. Don't you get that?

I will try to spell out my logic. Feel free to let me know where I am wrong in my reasoning, since you seem to think I am trying to "couch [my] phrases in such a way as to appear reasonable".

You say you have just up and decided that the game is moving too slow and 'dying', even though only one player is MIA (stoicsentry). Two other players have been on trips and such (NFY and Red_Baron) and so they haven't posted as much as usual. The other four of us (you, me, TwilightBard, and SirPrimalform) have all been posting rather frequently, relative to prior days.

So, I have to wonder why you would do such a thing. There are two options from my point of view:

1) You really are just town that is impatient and bored with pace of the game. I can actually relate to that to some extent. So you decided to role-claim, simply to get conversation going; you weren't under pressure, you didn't have any key information to impart. This not only put you at more risk, but puts the town at even more risk of losing the game. All for little to no reason (I would actually argue it is a net loss for town).

2) You are scum who is impatient and bored with the pace of the game. You were neither under pressure nor really suspected by anyone other than me (please, correct me if I am wrong here). So, you decided to fake role-claim. Again, there doesn't seem to be much necessity behind the action.

So, I am left to wonder which one it is. I have to figure out which one is more likely, given the circumstances and the timing involved. For me it makes zero sense for a town to just role-claim out of the blue like that if they still actually want to win the game. For scum, however, it might actually make some small amount of sense. Since fake role-claiming is such a WIFOMpropositioneither way, it might be better to fake role-claim without any heat on you.

To me, it just makes more sense that you are scum trying to hedge your bets. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe you are just willing to put town at more risk to make the game speed up. I am actually giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you are scum with a, perhaps ill-thought, strategy rather than an unrepentant anti-town Town player.

Please tell me where my logic is flawed. I will admit that I am biased on my arguments. I can't help it. If you are actually town and doing this, I will be annoyed with you. If you are scum then you need a lynch. On any other Day, I would just policy vote you for anti-town play and be done with it. However, Today we need every town-affiliated player we can get to stay competitive with scum, so I am trying to be open minded about this ... and failing.

EBWOP

I mentioned that TwilightBard has been posting more relative to previous Days. On reflection, I don't think this is the case. I actually wish he would post a little more. While I understand where he is coming from, I don't like the excuse he keeps making about losing interest in the game.

Also, I hope Red_Baron comes through with his promised post with his thoughts tomorrow. If he leaves town without posting, it will chap my behind. Promising to make posts that give more in depth analysis, but then not making them is often a scum-tell. I guess they are hoping people will forget about it? I know he has RL concerns, but still...

Rob, can you give us some more details about the flavor you received? Doesn't matter that they're dead, but more info would be nice.

Krypsyn's play is catching my eye. Seems, very desperate to jump on information given, and trying to turn it into an attack. Hard to tell if, it's the paranoia I'm sure everyone else has, or something more. It does seem a bit odd though.

I'm keeping my vote on Stoic for the moment til we see what's going on with him though.

Desperate? Yeah, I suppose I am. Aren't you? Town is not really in a good position right now. The only people that should be relaxed and biding their time would be scum.

I am just trying to scum-hunt. I see something that may not add up or that seems off to me, and I question people about it. What else am I supposed to do? We need more information; town can't screw up again.

Vote for me or don't, I guess. In the meanwhile, I'll continue trying to narrow down the list of scum and maybe pressure one of them into a slip-up. That is really all I can do; that is really the only way I know how to play the game.

This I can answer using what I got from Game 9. But I believe that the winning mafia has to be able to control the vote, meaning that say, if there are 2 town left, 1 Mafia faction #1, and 2 mafia faction #2 at the beginning of the day, then the game is still going. I'm not sure how this all would work in PRACTICE (Me and Rob got eliminated in the same night in Game 9), but, on paper that's what makes the most sense.