Thanks :P Goes to show how a proper scary exam makes me do other things than reading... :S Anyway yea that was the notion.. The problem with it is that if he is the vanilla he says, I am not sure we can afford to lose more towns, given the still somewhat unknown setup. In regards to the theory, its not really anything firm given the complete theoretical setup its based upon, but since I didn't concur with the existing ones, I looked for one that could make sense given the right situation and hence trying it out. And yea, well the stoic would basically as said give all the so far theories up or put us in a neat pile for an argument for best theory.

Well your completely right you manage to confuse me, actually I read until the third of your "twilightbard" quotes before realizing it was what I wrote myself :D I was wondering why it seemed familiar before that though. And upon that realization it made a lot more sense what you were talking about :P But no and yes your question. I personally like you go on as before, its just in the case of the one some posts above where you linked to a list made by your earlier self that I would like it pointed out it was the former you.

Yea, I was just noting it down - trying to sort thoughts while reading - hence also my somewhat odd notion of Robbeasy and stoic.

Trust me, it wasn't. Also, by the time I got back to it, I mostly forgot what I was getting at there; this game tends to do that to me.
Yes. I'm still not very comfortable with it, but it's better than nothing.
Interesting. Your previous incarnation died on Night 2, that is true. But do we know who killed him? Remember, he was the drowned (i.e. patternless) one. Unless I'm mistaken, you were supporting the SK theory, right?
That's a good point; I missed that.

Hit post too early once again:
Yes. But you're forgetting one other possibility: for quite some time now, I've been convinced Detlik is our serial killer.

pray tell your reasoning...

Okay, I just finished my review of Robbeasy's posts. It was actually pretty simple; until Day 3, he wasn't very active. I think the thing that made me put him in the 'scum' column is that on Day 2 he wasn't very active 9mainly he made posts apoligizing for being inactive and asking people to be more active), but when he did post a vote he posted this. No reasoning, just a random vote.

Given the way this game has been going, given that I used the same reasoning as Krypsyn1 to vote for NFY1 later on Day 2, and given that Robbeasy has been much more active and pro-town on Day 3, I don't see that I have much cause to think Robbeasy is solid scum. Something still feels off, but it isn't something I can make a firm case about. So, Robbeasy is not considered 'scum' for me, he is staying at 'leaning scum'.

Now I only have one person I firmly think is scum, and that is TwilightBard. So, my vote is staying on him until the end of the Day unless there is some huge revelation or epiphany.

Ah so I weren't alone in that thought :D That was my main reason for making the FOS towards him and making a point of him not being confirmed.

So well, with a lynch of Detlik: Chance of getting rid of a SK
With lynch of Stoic: Info about 2 other people.

In some ways I more prefer the first as it harms less people - but its also the one with less immediate problems.

And now of to bed as I can't write coherently.

Certainly.

Argument 1: Hard Role
"I would be a lot more active, but my role is...well uneasy for a new player." (#1062)
"QuadrAlien - Lurking, same as me. But even though its scummy for me I have slight reason for it...school and my role." (#1241)
I ask myself: is Actor really such a hard role to be used as a permanent excuse? No, it most definitely isn't. Imagine on the other hand you're drafted in a game mostly filled with seasoned players as a complete newbie, and get a Serial Killer to play. That is hard, and it would very much explain Detlik's permanent headless chicken mode.

Argument 2: Metamodding
Okay, this isn't entirely kosher, but there's a thing or two I know about balancing, and one of them is that in game design, symmetry is extremely attractive. It feels neat, and also makes balancing itself easier. Just consider this: two third party roles. A survivor with two votes, and a serial killer with one severely crippled vote. Rodzaju as the anti-Detlik and vice versa; the survivor gets a weapon that could help him change the course of the game in his favour (which he needs pretty badly), and the serial killer gets a neat claim to hide behind (because it's a role that inevitably will be discovered sooner rather than later); also, a serial killer doesn't care one bit who is lynched as long as it isn't him, so taking away part of his voting privileges doesn't matter at all. Voting power remains more or less equal in all factions.
Again, this does not arise out of Detlik's play and as such may be frowned upon, but on the other hand, good luck getting anything useful out of his posts which are few and far between.
(Fun fact: have you noticed Damnation's avatar is perfectly symmetrical?)

Argument 3: Which isn't an argument at all
As long as Detlik's being discussed, I don't know if anyone remembers that he tried roleplaying a drunk in #5 ("Ugh...I shouldn't drink so much. I feel like my head will split open. Did anyone actually know the guy?"), and also posted the weird line that's been bugging me ever since just at the start of day three, in #1441: /throws rock against the wall
I have no idea what either of these two things point to, if anything.

I have to admit, i really really like your idea about balancing.

Also point 1, but not as much...

bah!

I feel i hve three choices here - we have to reach a majority otherwise we have a no-lynch as well.

1) TwilightBard - my vote is on, I think there is definitely a case against him
2) Stoic - lots of info to be gained on his lynch, and should he turn up town, will be vanilla (Town dont lie, and hes already claimed vanilla)
3) Detlik - chance to get SK. His self confessed 'hammer vote only' role means hes crippled pretty much anyway if he is town, but should he turn up town, it doesnt give us a whole lot of info..

hmmmm..... my main problem with voting for stoic is that twilight is on him, and i think Twilight is guilty...

one thing has struck me - three people have expressed a liking for this theory that Detlik could be SK, yet NOT ONE of you have actually voted..and with deadline only a day away!!!

feck it -

unvote TwilightBard

vote Detlik

I'll start it then....

The thing is, third-party hunting is just asking for trouble, which is why I hesitated with this information quite a lot. It's much better than a nolynch, definitely, but the whole thing isn't exactly standing on a rock-solid foundation, not to mention the fact that the SK is not our greatest enemy.

The theory feels right to me, though, I will say that. In fact, the last time I had a theory that felt this way was my infamous nmillar case of GOG Mafia #9.

I hope you are not referring to me, because... ugh, this is starting to feel like Day 2 all over again for me. Krypsyn1 thought NFY was pretty confirmed town, then I switched my vote to her anyway just to get a lynch, any lynch. We all know how that turned out. Now I am pretty firmly set on TwilightBard, and people are again stacking votes on Detlik, one of the people I most think is town. Yeah, I am just not going to repeat the mistake I made yesterday. I might see some merit in your arguments against him, but it isn't enough to make me vote for the person that was my #1 town read as of three days ago; they made me question my read, but not that much.

Forum Mafia: The least funny running joke on the GOG.com forum.

Oh very well then. It's supposed to be the deadline today, right? Let's look at the cases du jour:

TwilightBard. Mostly pushed by Krypsyn and NotQuadYet. I've stayed out of that discussion because frankly, I haven't seen any argument more substantial than "gut feeling" (as for the "egging" during the NFY/stoic clash, I feel we all have done that at that time, at least to some extent), and it's a gut feeling I simply don't share. Of course, I might be wrong there. Wouldn't be the first time.

stoicsentry. Yeah, I'm on the wagon too, the idea being that stoicsentry's flip could go a long way towards clearing our roleblocker. It's risky as hell, though, and after thinking it over, I'm almost convinced his and NFY's little episode really was just another case of townies locking horns in their misguided eagerness.

Detlik. Very well, a gut vote it is, then.

unvote
vote Detlik

The "Day After Mod's Birthday" votecount

Robbeasy - 1 - stoicsentry.
TwilightBard - 2 - NotFrenchYet(2), Krypsyn
stoicsentry - 2 - TwilightBard, Red_Baron
Detlik - 2 - Robbeasy, bazilisek

Voting (7): stoicsentry, bazilisek, NotFrenchYet(2), Robbeasy, TwilightBard, Krypsyn, Red_Baron
Not voting (3): GoJays2025, Detlik, SirPrimalform

TwilightBard, stoicsentry and Detlik are closest to lynch at L-5.
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Voteactions:
Red_Baron votes stoicsentry.
Robbeasy unvotes TwilightBard.
Robbeasy votes Detlik.
bazilisek unvotes stoicsentry.
bazilisek votes Detlik.

Deadline: June 30th, 23:59 GMT+1, which is roughly 11 hours from now.

Mod Message: Finally my exam period is over and I have moved on into the age of decay, I only have my dayjob now and should be able to give you guys a lot more attention.

I believe that was last week, sir.