I wrote this earlier at post 1306, so I'll just clarify this before someone else brings it up and calls me inconsistent. I think that strong reads should get strong cases, but weak reads should only require weak, gut-feeling type, cases. Basically, support the strength of your read by an equally strong case. If someone plans to vote for someone (thus putting them as 'scum', for instance, it might be a good idea to include links and quotes to support the vote. I don't vote for people I only believe are 'leaning scum', so I don't feel the need to go the extra mile making a strong case for each one.

This strikes me as suspicious.
You suspect Gojays, you're not opposed to this (his lynch), but you don't want to put him in a position where someone else can hammer him?

Are you saying that, if he were not so close to lynch, you would vote him?

If you suspect him & are sanguine about him being lynched, why would you NOT put him at (effectively) L-1?
Unvote NFY; Vote SPF

How about because he hadn't had a chance to respond to this wagon yet? I'm scum because I didn't try and put him in a position where he could have been easily lynched before having a chance to respond?

This is going to sound all OMGUS, but you've just shot right up my small list of possible scum.
FOS Rodzaju

When I posted my current suspect list, he was not listed as scum, or as leaning scum.
What reason would I have had to speed lynch him?
Surely that would simply point the finger at myself as scum?
Therefore, as a scum-hunting measure, placing him at L-2 would have been highly effective pro-town play.
Sadly, you chose to NOT make the pro-town play.
Unvote Quad; Vote SPF

Waiting to see if someone can explain themselves is anti-town now?

Unvote whoever, vote Rodzaju

I only hope you're acting crazy because you're scum rather than just "doing a Rod".

I suppose you could be GoJays2025 scumbuddy, and you don't want to vote for him if he might actually get lynched. I didn't get that feeling from your post, but I suppose it could be an honest interpretation of your motivations.

Or, if GoJays2025 is actually town, it could be anti-town in a very WIFOM way. For instance, scum may not want to be the hammer, so they may just put the person up to L-1 and let someone else get the scrutiny by hammering. But, since scum often does this, the scummy voter may not want to seem like they are doing it, so they wouldn't want to put anyone to L-1 either. Like I said, it is a very WIFOM argument, thus a very weak one.

I think at this point we need some sort of deadline to work with again. This Day has been going on for 2 months, over a month since Damnation said there was no deadline due to the newcomers. I think this was a mistake. We've gone back and forth, and got one person to L-1 without even fanfare or anything more then just another vote. I feel like this has stopped being a game of Mafia and more like everyone trying to find the perfect lynch target. And thusly, being very cautious and quietly throwing faints while praying something sticks enough to make a case about.

I don't have reads, the only case I can make I've made almost a month ago. I have nothing else to go on because everyone's keeping plenty of cards to their chest and not revealing them. At this point I really don't know what to do, there's no cases or posts of worth to make arguments about.

As far as my reads go right this second.

I'm suspicious about GoJays and not only his sudden vote but his quietness. With no case and really not much fanfare the vote was an oddly placed one.

On NFY...I've made my case, my posts are there to see, I really have nothing new and am, for the sake of letting the poor horse die with some dignity, not going to keep harping the subject. My vote will however remain here as she's currently my strongest case.

SPF shot up there with what seemed to be an OMGUS vote, which at this point struck me as a surprise. The argument was a bit weak, and really felt like he was trying to make a case he thought he could get away with. Waiting to see if someone can explain themselves isn't anti-town, but your reasoning was really strange.

And, lastly, Krypsyn. I'm not really sure how to approach this one. I see a lot of jabs and throwing out comments, but I don't really see anything deeper. I understand the idea that you don't want to just make cases against the people you just have gut feelings about, but we're at a point where we need cases and supported votes or else we're just going to be going around in circles. The reads are great, but really if we don't have cases, we can't have solid reads either since that's where you get the deeper posts that can solidify reads.

I don't know where else to go. I went through rereading Day 2 hoping to have a huge post with a few cases to open people's eyes. Unfortunately, it didn't work out the way that I wanted, the only thing that happened was me trying to avoid the boring reread and Detlik's post 815 that made me wonder if he was trying to hide another faction by trying to push the blame for both kills on one faction. I don't know what to make of it though.

I have no other ideas, and honestly I feel ackward, I can't really play the way I usually do because there aren't enough posts with meat on them to go through and pick apart. I stuck my nose in the Stoic vs NFY because it was a meaty discussion, and there was bluntly NO ONE ELSE POSTING! It went for at least a week or two of the only really active people being NFY, Stoic, Baz, and myself. And I can't really make a case against someone who isn't there.

There's my peace, hopefully this call might get the game going again, if not...I've tried.

See attachment. Also, that was mostly a joke.
You were already voting Rodzaju, actually.
For some time now I've been thinking that's a major factor: the mod has almost completely abandoned us. Even in the unlikely case we manage to get someone to L-0, how long are we going to wait for the lynch scene? How can the game possibly survive that hiatus?

I'm starting to think this game would be best left to die. Considering my blatantly ridiculous suggestion to random-lynch Baron received a grand total of one reaction, I really cannot imagine what would have to happen to move this sorry excuse for a game forward.

No, but if they are not at risk of being lynched, someone who wants to play quietly will not be encouraged to post unless they are at risk of lynch.

As previously stated, your given reason for not voting was in case I used both my votes to hammer him.
As he was not someone I suspect, why would I do that?

This all reads very much like trying to encourage other people to do your dirty work for you, which is very much anti-town.

I do have to wonder what you would have done if random.org had picked you....
;-}

Since I share study with the Mod, I can always poke him if need be, maybe I should do that for a vote count. Guess its the Diablo 3 that speaks :P

If I was anti-town, tempting me to drop the hammer prematurely would be a simple way to prove it.
Had I done so without giving Gojays an opportunity to respond would ensure I was the day 3 lynch.

I didn't actually read the Wiki in regards to double-voters.
I revealed myself in 2 stages, both with the same motive in mind.
First of all, I used the 2nd vote secretly to try to inject some life into the game.
We had a short burst of activity, but then it became counter-productive as people became overly cautious out of fear of this secret vote.
So I then revealed that I was the secret voter, to allay this fear.
Tactically it would have been better to keep this ability hidden until an opportune moment, but I revealed it to try to get the game moving.

With great success.

Like I said 2 or 3 times before, I make strong cases for people I plan to vote for and/or people I actually think are scummy. I wish you would stop skipping that answer in every one of your rebuttals just to make it sound as if I am a loose cannon. The rest are just reads in case I get lynched or get nightkilled. Even gut reactions and casual leanings from a player with a confirmed role can be helpful once more information from lynches and kills are learned. This is twice as important for town, as they need all the clues that can get their hands on.

So, you can call then 'jabs' and I suppose that is what they are in a way. For people I am unsure of, I like to prod them to get a reaction. I also like I record everything I am doing for posterity, so that there is a record to look back on should I die somehow.

I am actually quite amused at how defensive you got when I moved you from 'neutral' to 'leaning scum'. I am also I little amused at how Red_Baron got sop defensive as well, as far as to misread what I wrote about him. Might be nothing, but it does give insight into how you play and does give more information.

Good. I was actually a little confused. It was not consistent with your previous play and kind of made me want to facepalm/headdesk. :)

First of all, sorry for all the typos in the post before. Secondly, EBWOP.

I also find it interesting that you argue that I make too many weak points against people, but then, in the same post, you mention that few posts have 'any meat on them'. You lament that the game isn't moving, but then you attack me for actually trying to make cases with what I have available. I don't get the logic of your position here.

The only people in an average-powered-role game of Mafia (which this seems to be) that can know for sure who is counter to their faction is the mafia and possibly one or two town roles with night-snooping ability. Scum most certainly isn't going to come out with their main reason for voting for someone, and neither should the snooper townies without very good reason. So, we are left with a game where no truly firm argument can be made; that is Mafia.

While I agree that this game has been plagued with inactive players and a seemingly stalled out Day today, I don't think waiting around for a 'sure thing' will help matters. Now that just about everyone has given some sort of post about their reads on people, all we need to do is lynch someone ... anyone. I would rather a scum get lynched, but any lynch here will move the game forward and give better information. I wouldn't even oppose a bandwagon on me at this point ... yeesh.